Study: New York ranks # 2 in residents moving away
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Originally Posted By: Silverado12
New York takes great care of the roads, has good schools, so in effect you get what you pay for. However, it would be very expensive if you're not paid extra to be there. But generally, the South pays less, so it's a wash.
Very true. I've lived in the Buffalo NY area my entire life. Obviously every area has it's give/takes, but having done plenty of traveling, both work and leisure, I'm always relieved to be home.
Roads might get pot-holy over the winter, but generally when the poop hits the fan, there's crews there quickly to rectify it.
Housing is reasonable, schools are better than most, fresh water is plentiful as is electricity and natural gas.
I live about 25mi outside of Buffalo in mountainous Ski country. My property taxes are about $4K/yr.. On top of the $20K I spent in income taxes this year.
New York takes great care of the roads, has good schools, so in effect you get what you pay for. However, it would be very expensive if you're not paid extra to be there. But generally, the South pays less, so it's a wash.
Very true. I've lived in the Buffalo NY area my entire life. Obviously every area has it's give/takes, but having done plenty of traveling, both work and leisure, I'm always relieved to be home.
Roads might get pot-holy over the winter, but generally when the poop hits the fan, there's crews there quickly to rectify it.
Housing is reasonable, schools are better than most, fresh water is plentiful as is electricity and natural gas.
I live about 25mi outside of Buffalo in mountainous Ski country. My property taxes are about $4K/yr.. On top of the $20K I spent in income taxes this year.
Before I went to the article, I was positive this dump (LA) (not L.A.) would be in the top 10 moved-away-from.
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Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
High taxes tends to do that. I question how California is not listed as an outbound stste.
California would be on the list except all the successful people moving out are replaced by illegals who have lots of kids.
California will never make the list because of Mexico. It's difficult to count what you refuse to see.
Besides, if you own a business or start a business you're not welcome in California. Asking employees to work so that you can make a profit is prohibited because profits are proof that you're exploiting the system for selfish reasons like making making a living.
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
High taxes tends to do that. I question how California is not listed as an outbound stste.
California would be on the list except all the successful people moving out are replaced by illegals who have lots of kids.
California will never make the list because of Mexico. It's difficult to count what you refuse to see.
Besides, if you own a business or start a business you're not welcome in California. Asking employees to work so that you can make a profit is prohibited because profits are proof that you're exploiting the system for selfish reasons like making making a living.
pffft,
was your city used in Family guy and said to be among the world leaders in abandoned buildings, shattered glass, boarded-up windows, wild dogs and gas stations without pumps.
America's most taxed city revealed, Bridgeport Connecticut
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...west-rates.html
look up political history of Bridgeport CT on wikipedia
the ghetto is still the ghetto, former mayor still in jail, previous mayor acknowledged he did cocaine at his desk while at work. better than waterbury mayor i guess.
was your city used in Family guy and said to be among the world leaders in abandoned buildings, shattered glass, boarded-up windows, wild dogs and gas stations without pumps.
America's most taxed city revealed, Bridgeport Connecticut
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...west-rates.html
look up political history of Bridgeport CT on wikipedia
the ghetto is still the ghetto, former mayor still in jail, previous mayor acknowledged he did cocaine at his desk while at work. better than waterbury mayor i guess.
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
It's difficult to count what you refuse to see.
LOL....
It's difficult to count what you refuse to see.
LOL....
No-having lived there all my life until recently-it's very rich immigrants from other parts of the world moving in to California. The middle class will be non-existent several years down the road in California. It will be the illegals serving the rich. Then of course you have the "Hollywood Types" as well.
There are three reason why 1 in 8 Americans call California home. Those are:
1) Weather
2) Weather
3) Weather
Remember - it's now 1 in 8 that live in California.
I am in Utah-Salt Lake County. There are not quite 3 million people in this State. The state government expects us to top 3 million people this year. We are one of the best run states in the Country.
There are three reason why 1 in 8 Americans call California home. Those are:
1) Weather
2) Weather
3) Weather
Remember - it's now 1 in 8 that live in California.
I am in Utah-Salt Lake County. There are not quite 3 million people in this State. The state government expects us to top 3 million people this year. We are one of the best run states in the Country.
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
New York ranks No. 2 in residents moving away: Study shows.
I thought New York was a decent place to live / work.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_moving_away_united_van_lines.html
I'm not one bit surprised. Maybe I am surprised, I'm surprised that NY isn't #1.
New York ranks No. 2 in residents moving away: Study shows.
I thought New York was a decent place to live / work.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_moving_away_united_van_lines.html
I'm not one bit surprised. Maybe I am surprised, I'm surprised that NY isn't #1.
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
New York ranks No. 2 in residents moving away: Study shows.
I thought New York was a decent place to live / work.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_moving_away_united_van_lines.html
It may be, for people who can cut it. Not everybody can, some are just below average and cannot keep up.
It's no surprise that the expenses in some of those areas are higher. However, go anyplace half decent, in any state, and one will find that costs are higher. Doesn't matter if you're talking the better places to live in any state, north, south east or west.
Of course the boonies will be cheaper. But they come with their own downsides depending upon what you're looking for regarding raising kids and certain services. And they have their own element of drugs, crime, education, etc.
Also interesting is if you cross the locations being moved to with the states with the highest fraction of unfavorable fractions who don't pay their way.
New York ranks No. 2 in residents moving away: Study shows.
I thought New York was a decent place to live / work.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_moving_away_united_van_lines.html
It may be, for people who can cut it. Not everybody can, some are just below average and cannot keep up.
It's no surprise that the expenses in some of those areas are higher. However, go anyplace half decent, in any state, and one will find that costs are higher. Doesn't matter if you're talking the better places to live in any state, north, south east or west.
Of course the boonies will be cheaper. But they come with their own downsides depending upon what you're looking for regarding raising kids and certain services. And they have their own element of drugs, crime, education, etc.
Also interesting is if you cross the locations being moved to with the states with the highest fraction of unfavorable fractions who don't pay their way.
*nevermind*
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I generally dislike these graphical depictions of statistics. The use of colors adds an unnecessary layer of interpretation between the data and the reader.
The 4th worst state is FL at 39%. Vermont is 36th "worst" with 30.4%.
Much of the country is in the same ballpark.
CA & TX, the most populous states are virtually tied in % terms. So what does that tell us?
How about MA, decried as a liberal basket case, being one of the "best" states?
And in any case, how does this graph correlate with undesirables? What is the reasoning behind such a claim? It's a very simplistic and broad brush generalization on an aggregated data set. In my experience, nobody who does analysis for a (non political) living could justify making such a connection without presenting more detailed data and analysis.
The 4th worst state is FL at 39%. Vermont is 36th "worst" with 30.4%.
Much of the country is in the same ballpark.
CA & TX, the most populous states are virtually tied in % terms. So what does that tell us?
How about MA, decried as a liberal basket case, being one of the "best" states?
And in any case, how does this graph correlate with undesirables? What is the reasoning behind such a claim? It's a very simplistic and broad brush generalization on an aggregated data set. In my experience, nobody who does analysis for a (non political) living could justify making such a connection without presenting more detailed data and analysis.
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
*nevermind*
I have the feeling I know what you were going to say..lol
*nevermind*
I have the feeling I know what you were going to say..lol
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
High taxes tends to do that. I question how California is not listed as an outbound stste.
CA is well balanced. American citizens move out and illegals cross the Mexican border and move in.
High taxes tends to do that. I question how California is not listed as an outbound stste.
CA is well balanced. American citizens move out and illegals cross the Mexican border and move in.
Originally Posted By: aa1986
And in any case, how does this graph correlate with undesirables? What is the reasoning behind such a claim? It's a very simplistic and broad brush generalization on an aggregated data set. In my experience, nobody who does analysis for a (non political) living could justify making such a connection without presenting more detailed data and analysis.
Taxes paid vs. taxes not paid is usually meant as very rough correlation for income. Owing taxes at the end of the year implies one is making enough to owe money, and is thus able to support themselves without outside assistance. It's a tenuous connection at best since it assumes that owing taxes means that a person is able to support him/herself on what they made. That's not always the case, as many self-employed people can attest.
It could also mean that there are better accountants and tax lawyers in those states!
And in any case, how does this graph correlate with undesirables? What is the reasoning behind such a claim? It's a very simplistic and broad brush generalization on an aggregated data set. In my experience, nobody who does analysis for a (non political) living could justify making such a connection without presenting more detailed data and analysis.
Taxes paid vs. taxes not paid is usually meant as very rough correlation for income. Owing taxes at the end of the year implies one is making enough to owe money, and is thus able to support themselves without outside assistance. It's a tenuous connection at best since it assumes that owing taxes means that a person is able to support him/herself on what they made. That's not always the case, as many self-employed people can attest.
It could also mean that there are better accountants and tax lawyers in those states!
Nancy Pelosi said welfare, food stamps (EBT) and unemployment benefits are good for the economy because those people spend the money they receive. It's statements like this that give us insight into the brilliance of politicians that are here to serve the people.
I was offered a job in New York 15 years ago that paid $20,000 for the exact same job, I turned it down because it didn't want to deal with bad winter weather / higher cost of living.
Something else that people not from NY overlook is that NY is really two different economies: 1. NYC and surrounding areas 2. Everywhere else in NY. NYC is horribly expensive. The rest of the state is much cheaper to live.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Looks like I've moved from one dump hole (IL, #3) to another (MI, #14).
I'm just glad not to be paying $11K/year in property taxes.
This. I've been looking in my field for jobs elsewhere. I was a finalist in a job that paid the same, but I'd save $10k in property and income taxes just for moving.
Still holding out hope. In the meantime, I'll go ahead and expect another 9.5% property tax increase again this year...
Looks like I've moved from one dump hole (IL, #3) to another (MI, #14).
I'm just glad not to be paying $11K/year in property taxes.
This. I've been looking in my field for jobs elsewhere. I was a finalist in a job that paid the same, but I'd save $10k in property and income taxes just for moving.
Still holding out hope. In the meantime, I'll go ahead and expect another 9.5% property tax increase again this year...
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