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Camry stick is just fine...easy to shift, easy to cruise in stop 'n go traffic in 2nd, plenty of torque in top gear @70-80mph....
It seems faster than the AT 'cause I drive it 500rpm faster than the AT would in the same situation.
 
Originally Posted By: emg
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
what engine was that then, and what traffic conditions? you really shouldn't be changing gears on the highway at all, top gear all the way.


Some kind of turbo diesel, so it only had power from about 2000-3500 rpm. Put it in 5th, and the slightest incline required changing back to 4th to get back into the power band.


If it was a Golf, it was likely a 105 BHP 1.6, if it was a polo you might have had a 1.2 3- cylinder. Both aren't very good.
 
My VW 1.9TDI was a bit of a dog below 60mph in 5th gear, was around 2k rpm IIRC. But it didn't take much above that for it to wake up and pull.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: splinter
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
...Handling is better than ever...

I love rowing the gearbox in my Miata. Have a 6L80E for for workaday duties though.

There's no way any Camry could offer up better 'handling' than a classic 'Vette!

www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/corvette-vs-camry-comparison-test.html


They need to get their Corvette running properly and/or learn how to drive it! 16 second 1/4 mile? FAIL!


I wonder if their tires weren't just old tech but old and dry. But then again, it was a lo-po 300hp 327, so it wouldn't have been the fast of the decade either (427 etc). Given how even the Camry will need a new set of tires in short order, I think a proper test ought to have the Vette on more modern rubber--would not have to be 22" 320 series but something more recent than bias ply.

Speaking of which, I noticed this:

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Old-school bias ply tires like the ones on our Stingray prefer a lot of slip angle. Correction: They really prefer a lot of slip angle. The more lurid the slide, the more they grip.


Was that because that got more heat into the tire, and thus more grip?
 
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Originally Posted By: KitaCam
Camry stick is just fine...

I don't think you can get a (new) Camry with an MT in Canada anymore. Sad.


...nor in the US...would love to see Toyo make a late model V6 camry SE stick...THAT would be nice.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I am also not entirely sold on how well a T56 would live with 600lb/ft in a 4500+lb car.


Yes, a (Viper/GT 500/Super Snake spec) TR6060 at a minimum, or better yet, a modded T56 MAGNUM for that app!
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Originally Posted By: KitaCam
Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Originally Posted By: KitaCam
Camry stick is just fine...

I don't think you can get a (new) Camry with an MT in Canada anymore. Sad.

...nor in the US...would love to see Toyo make a late model V6 camry SE stick...THAT would be nice.

I had a Toyota Solara SE (ie a V6 5MT). The shifter was a bit clunky but otherwise it was a good power train. But my daughter needed a car.

I probably would have bought a Camry V6 MT if I could have gotten one. I could get a Honda Accord 4dr V6 6MT (in 2007 anyway) so I bought one. I also drive a 2000 BMW 528i 5MT. I prefer vehicles having manual transmissions.

My next car - in 2 or 3 years - maybe a Mazda6 V6 6MT. Maybe a Mazda3 6MT. Maybe a Honda Accord Sport 6MT. Or for something really different, maybe a plug in hybrid?
 
It is amazing that every time a MT vs AT topic is posted that is manages to attract the several dozen people remaining in this country that believe they are hot stuff because they know how to drive a MT.
 
Enjoy driving manual transmissions. Still have my very first stick car which is by far the most fun to drive. Here is my list of manual transmission cars I have owned:
70 Chevelle, 78 Monza, 87 Escort, 89 Justy, 85 CRX, 88 Ranger, 89 Bronco II, 90 Geo Storm, 92 Saturn, 07 Accord

The CRX was also a blast!
 
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Purists?!

Most chassis don't deserve a manual. Cars are steering and driving pretty poorly these days. safety geometry kills steering feel?


TOMYOUNG: Completely untrue. Handling is better than ever. Chassis are stiffer, tires are wider and grippier and engineering is built into even the lowliest Toyota Yaris (which handles great). You don't know what you are talking about. Or perhaps you miss the awesome handling of your 1978 Granada

ARCO: I had a Yaris, it handled only FAIR, likely due to the garbage squishy, overcompliant strut front suspension with spindly LCA. A late 70's Fiesta or Fiat 128sp would walk all over it. Just think: 1700 lbs dry weight, MANUAL rack and pinion - not garbage E assist steering. I will concede cars do have more POWER though.
I love 4 and 5 gear MT. I look for them though I have been sorely disappointed with what's available i've bought - Including the WAY, WAY overpriced Honda un-Fit sport 5 spd.
In my 40+ years of aggressive driving, I am more experienced with sport compacts than you'll ever be, Dudley do Nuthing. So ... clam it!
 
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Originally Posted By: SeaJay
It is amazing that every time a MT vs AT topic is posted that is manages to attract the several dozen people remaining in this country that believe they are hot stuff because they know how to drive a MT.


Sounding kinda sour there... I wouldn't MT in new youk city either though.

MT makes for a more engaging driving experience. I don't feel like I am "hot stuff" I just prefer MT.

Then again its harder to shave and text while driving with a MT....
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

In my 40+ years of aggressively blowing up engines


fixed.
 
1 - wait, you mean there is an entire world outside of the US? OP, glad you got to travel and experience it, but yes, other markets have and do exist.

2 - I'm ready to switch to AT's, but from reading owners reports of my new Sportwagen, the 5MT got better MPGs than the 6AT. Cost was same, so I went MT again.

I've always gone with manuals for cost, reliability, less maintenance, better mpg and more fun to drive. I'm willing to switch now, but this car wasn't quite the one to do so on. Maybe next one...
 
Learned on a 62 Bel Air with "three on the tree". I can drive one, but especially hate late model cars with manuals. Driving a cramped econo box with a manual is tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment to me in urban congestion.

I don't mind it on a motorcycle, love shifting those, but its less involved than a manual equipped car. My only gripe on newer automatics is the rube goldberg process of servicing them with new fluids and filters.
 
I see some mentioned EPA, and that is NOT true!
The U.S. was always home to automatic transmission. I remember before visiting the U.S. firt time hearing how 99% (anecdote) cars have auto. transmission. When I visited first time for 4 months, drove some cars, been driven in many, only one had MT. When I moved to the U.S. I figured that it is a cultural thing. Most Americans look at vehicle as an appliance. Go from place A to place B, AC always ON, big cup holders. After being in the U.S. 11 years, having great job, wife, big house (that American dream except Labrador retriever, but will get German shepherd eventually), I still stay amazed when I go to Starbux or Chik-a-fila or similar place and see more people waiting for drive thru then sitting in the establishment.
I was trying to figure out that, and I cannot explain any different then culture. I am from Bosnia, and before work you do not go through drive thru because there are none except when Mcdonalds came to country, but not sure they still have operating drive thru. Before work, you go to coffee shop (bar actually) sit with friends, drink espresso or turkish coffee, chit chat and you go. No need for big cup holders in a car or similar stuff. You always go with MT because it is more enjoyable to drive, because culture dictates that you drive car for driving not for hauling (kids go to school walking, and for long drives they will just have to suck it up).
So, I remember my father when we would go to beaches in Croatia, we would go with Zastava 101 (Google it) which was predecessor of Yugo. So, I get married, wife is an American, and she is: we need SUV, 7 seats. I am like: noo, I am selling my VW CC and getting BMW 335i xDrive with MT. Of course as an compromise I got X5 35d because life is just so much easier not arguing with wife. But, her point was: what if we need 7 seats when someone visits us. First of all, 4 of us used Zastava 101 to travel, so whoever needs ride from f.... airport can survive two other people in my X5. Unfortunately, my logic did not work with my wife. Of course, since i got X5 I never opened those two [removed] seats, and I do not have space for spare tire.
She of course does not know how to drive MT, and her whole family is like: from point A to point B, and car is necessary evil. Compare that to Italy for example where someone drives Alfa Romeo that is in shop every month, but if you ask them about issues they will say: that car breaks because it has character. They blame themselves for car issues.
To answer OP, I would not only mandate MT, but would make cup holders as unaccessible as possible. Maybe we make more people sitting in Starbux making small talk, and help with obesity epidemic.
 
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Maybe we make more people sitting in Starbux making small talk, and help with obesity epidemic.

I understand the general point you were trying to make, but whether you sip your latte sitting inside your car or sitting inside Starbucks, you are still getting no exercise, so that's not going to help with obesity.
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The difference in Europe and other countries is that people walk to places. We here in the US do not, unless you live and work in the middle of a huge city. And outside of cities, places are spread so far apart, walking is impractical.
 
Originally Posted By: SeaJay
It is amazing that every time a MT vs AT topic is posted that is manages to attract the several dozen people remaining in this country that believe they are hot stuff because they know how to drive a MT.


That is comical. To feel superior because you had opportunity to acquire skill is silly. Near Anyone can learn to drive manual. In high school drivers ed in 1987 we had no choice except for a Sentra 4 speed manual. Everyone learned so you are nothing special if can shift gears.
 
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: SeaJay
It is amazing that every time a MT vs AT topic is posted that is manages to attract the several dozen people remaining in this country that believe they are hot stuff because they know how to drive a MT.


That is comical. To feel superior because you had opportunity to acquire skill is silly. Near Anyone can learn to drive manual. In high school drivers ed in 1987 we had no choice except for a Sentra 4 speed manual. Everyone learned so you are nothing special if can shift gears.


It's true. There are some people who do feel superior.

They will even roll the car back and forth at a stop light just to show you.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
My VW 1.9TDI was a bit of a dog below 60mph in 5th gear, was around 2k rpm IIRC. But it didn't take much above that for it to wake up and pull.


Those haven't been made for ages though... you won't find them in a rental, they're usually sold within the 1st year.
 
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