I saw a web site that said the only four (4) true synthetic motor oils available today are: Mobil 1, Amsoil, Royal Purple and Redline. I'm guessing that they're considering a motor oil to be true synthetic if it's a Group IV - PAO (or Group V) basestock.
"By the book", just for my clarification, that is the definition of true synthetic, is it not?...it must be made from Group IV PAO (or Group V) as the majority (and not just a small portion) of its basestock, correct?
Curious, I thought I'd check the manufacturers websites to see if they advertise the oils they claim as being synthetic and state that their basestock is, in fact, Group IV (PAO) or Group V.
I started with Amsoil, and they do not specifically refer to their synthetic oil as being made from Grp. IV or V. Oh sure, their distributors might make this claim on their personal websites...but Amsoil doesn't! Take a look at the section titled "What kind of base stocks does AMSOIL use? Are AMSOIL synthetic lubricants PAO-based?" - http://www.amsoil.com/frequent.aspx#
Next, I checked Mobil 1. My search - pao group iv site:mobiloil.com - did not match any documents, however the search: pao site:mobiloil.com yielded: https://mobiloil.com/en/faq/ask-our-auto...tly-mineral-oil in which they say "Just like other companies, we do not discuss our product formulations for obvious proprietary reasons. Mobil 1™ Extended Performance is formulated using a combination of high performance fluids including PAO, along with a proprietary system of performance additives..." Hmmm...that doesn't sound like a true synthetic either, does it? ..."formulated using a combination of high performance fluids including PAO..."
Next it Royal Purple. "Your search - pao group iv site:royalpurpleconsumer.com - did not match any documents." nor did "Your search - pao site:royalpurpleconsumer.com - did not match any documents.".
Finally is Redline. "Your search - pao group iv site:redlineoil.com - did not match any documents." pao site:redlineoil.com yields a couple of links: https://www.google.com/search?q=pao+site%3Aredlineoil.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 in which one says "What happens when you run lesser conventional oils, low-cost "synthetic" blends like Syn 3® or Royal Purple®, and PAO synthetics like Mobil® or Amsoil®? You find excessive wear in the cam journals and lifters due to shortages of antiwear additives.", and "There are many benefits to running Red Line’s ester-based motorcycle oils" but I don't see that they refer to their oils are being PAO basestock or Group IV either.
Comments? Thoughts? Are there any consumer grade PAO based, synthetic motor oils and how do you positively know that???
As a side note, I've contacted the U.S. Supreme Court to get a copy of the transcript from the famous Mobil 1 .v Castrol case. I'll find that interesting, I'm sure.
Thank you,
Ed
"By the book", just for my clarification, that is the definition of true synthetic, is it not?...it must be made from Group IV PAO (or Group V) as the majority (and not just a small portion) of its basestock, correct?
Curious, I thought I'd check the manufacturers websites to see if they advertise the oils they claim as being synthetic and state that their basestock is, in fact, Group IV (PAO) or Group V.
I started with Amsoil, and they do not specifically refer to their synthetic oil as being made from Grp. IV or V. Oh sure, their distributors might make this claim on their personal websites...but Amsoil doesn't! Take a look at the section titled "What kind of base stocks does AMSOIL use? Are AMSOIL synthetic lubricants PAO-based?" - http://www.amsoil.com/frequent.aspx#
Next, I checked Mobil 1. My search - pao group iv site:mobiloil.com - did not match any documents, however the search: pao site:mobiloil.com yielded: https://mobiloil.com/en/faq/ask-our-auto...tly-mineral-oil in which they say "Just like other companies, we do not discuss our product formulations for obvious proprietary reasons. Mobil 1™ Extended Performance is formulated using a combination of high performance fluids including PAO, along with a proprietary system of performance additives..." Hmmm...that doesn't sound like a true synthetic either, does it? ..."formulated using a combination of high performance fluids including PAO..."
Next it Royal Purple. "Your search - pao group iv site:royalpurpleconsumer.com - did not match any documents." nor did "Your search - pao site:royalpurpleconsumer.com - did not match any documents.".
Finally is Redline. "Your search - pao group iv site:redlineoil.com - did not match any documents." pao site:redlineoil.com yields a couple of links: https://www.google.com/search?q=pao+site%3Aredlineoil.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 in which one says "What happens when you run lesser conventional oils, low-cost "synthetic" blends like Syn 3® or Royal Purple®, and PAO synthetics like Mobil® or Amsoil®? You find excessive wear in the cam journals and lifters due to shortages of antiwear additives.", and "There are many benefits to running Red Line’s ester-based motorcycle oils" but I don't see that they refer to their oils are being PAO basestock or Group IV either.
Comments? Thoughts? Are there any consumer grade PAO based, synthetic motor oils and how do you positively know that???
As a side note, I've contacted the U.S. Supreme Court to get a copy of the transcript from the famous Mobil 1 .v Castrol case. I'll find that interesting, I'm sure.
Thank you,
Ed