So what's the "go-to" PEA based fuel additive? Indirect and direct injection engines...
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I'm admittedly too lazy to look back through 6 pages of this discussion to see if this has been discussed.
There's different levels of quality of PEAs, just like we have different quality of additives in lubricants. Though the patent has long expired, Chevron is still the only major gasoline company that produces and uses it. I would expect Chevron isn't letting STP, Gumout, and others have the cream of the crop.
There's different levels of quality of PEAs, just like we have different quality of additives in lubricants. Though the patent has long expired, Chevron is still the only major gasoline company that produces and uses it. I would expect Chevron isn't letting STP, Gumout, and others have the cream of the crop.
PEA is probably still the gold standard for a cleaning regardless of how much. Continued application on a scheduled basis is most likely the best application method.
I don't believe this is true. BASF, Dow, Exxon/Lubrizol, etc etc have patents on PEA.
PEA is just a specialty chemical with many manufacturers touting their own version as well as other alternative chemicals to make a fully formulated gas additive.
At the end of the day the products being used in the market are going to have similar performance.
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US5906665A - High molecular weight fuel additive - Google Patents
A method and composition for improving the mechanical efficiency of a engine is provided. Ultra-high molecular weight polyisobutylene (PIB) added to the fuel changes the momentary mechanical properties of the fuel during induction. The additive provides a more uniform spray droplet size...
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Here is the SDS for DI Jectron:
*It's always suggested to add Techron / Regane right before an oil change ... But what if you miss this time frame ? Any serious issues to add early into a new oil change in a newer , well maintained vehicle ?
Zero issue or this would be on the instructions of the product. I do this basically every time I change the oil on all of my vehicles (after the change) and have for years.
This is the first time I've heard of Techron, (or any other PEA fuel system cleaner), having to be used before an oil change. What is the reasoning behind this? How does this stuff contaminate oil?
I use Gumout Multi System Fuel Cleaner on somewhat of a regular basis in all of my vehicles. And have never tied it in with any oil changes.
I use Gumout Multi System Fuel Cleaner on somewhat of a regular basis in all of my vehicles. And have never tied it in with any oil changes.
What if few tsp of techron came into oil pan...
So on the Chinese version of BITOG, there are a few threads suggesting that PEA contaminates engine oil
Here's are some photos of one thread where they say carbon deposits will end up in the oil filter:
Carbon deposit particles scraped off the surface of the old oil filter with scissors
Carbon deposit particles from the oil filter housing cleaned with a detergent
Rub it with your hands, the graininess is obvious, this is the carbon deposits washed down, mixed in the old engine oil
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Here are photos from another thread:
Test paper oil sample comparison.
"It is suspected that there was a post not long ago saying that there was an engine that used a large dose of PEA, the old engine oil was black, and there were slag on the eyes, hands, and slag (seems like a picture to prove it)!
So I wanted to use a filter paper to filter the oil sample to see what kind of tricks I could filter out.
Regarding the filter paper used: I happened to have a filter paper for hand-ground coffee powder in my hand, so I used it.
I can't find the exact filter pore size, and the more common saying is 30um-100um.
However, 100um is too exaggerated-I tried to insert a copper wire with a diameter of 0.07mm (70um), and it is impossible to leak it."
Filtration is complete. It takes about 16 minutes to filter 25ml of engine oil.
Close-up of the core part of the oil filter paper sample, with frontal light.
A close-up of the core part of the oil filter paper pattern, backlit.
Here's are some photos of one thread where they say carbon deposits will end up in the oil filter:
Carbon deposit particles scraped off the surface of the old oil filter with scissors
Carbon deposit particles from the oil filter housing cleaned with a detergent
Rub it with your hands, the graininess is obvious, this is the carbon deposits washed down, mixed in the old engine oil
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Here are photos from another thread:
Test paper oil sample comparison.
"It is suspected that there was a post not long ago saying that there was an engine that used a large dose of PEA, the old engine oil was black, and there were slag on the eyes, hands, and slag (seems like a picture to prove it)!
So I wanted to use a filter paper to filter the oil sample to see what kind of tricks I could filter out.
Regarding the filter paper used: I happened to have a filter paper for hand-ground coffee powder in my hand, so I used it.
I can't find the exact filter pore size, and the more common saying is 30um-100um.
However, 100um is too exaggerated-I tried to insert a copper wire with a diameter of 0.07mm (70um), and it is impossible to leak it."
Filtration is complete. It takes about 16 minutes to filter 25ml of engine oil.
Close-up of the core part of the oil filter paper sample, with frontal light.
A close-up of the core part of the oil filter paper pattern, backlit.
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I don't miss the time frame now.
Since I am a toptier user, I don't worry about tank additives anymore. I weekly fill at MobilExxonChevronTexacoBPMarathon stations and will make the effort to use Shell now a couple times a year for their 7x EPA overdosed nitro hyperspace premium unobtainium flux capacitor equipped super duper gasoline every 4-6 months, and simply now won't buy any more bottles $tuff. I am done with tank additives as long as that V-power Nitro+ is available... 2-3 times a year.
And, with some excessive blowby engines, would you want that PEA in the oil? or any other added to fuel tank additive soaking/diluting the oil? Years back, a few showed the effects of fuel tank additives and a not so promising change in UOA metals.
I doubt that any issues are serious as to when you use a fuel tank additive for the typical owner.
But, I am hoping that oil/filter change intervals are not foolishly extended per OLM or automaker recommendations, that tend to cause issues with certain consumer driving styles. If I saw a filter with 'slag', then the interval was too long along with the tank added fuel system cleaner intervals just weren't frequent enough. Doesn't say much for the quality of the owner, the fuel used, the interval, or the oil type/brand/grade either.
I don't see PEA as contaminating the engine unless the engine already has problems.
Because it's not an issue. Folks think blow-by/fuel dilution with the additive is an issue and that's what drives this convo.
Miniscule engine blow-by...
Dilution rate of 1000:1 approx...
majority of the fuel mixture will be burned before it can go to oil pan...
Dilution rate of 1000:1 approx...
majority of the fuel mixture will be burned before it can go to oil pan...
Here's a screenshot from a 3rd party who sells lots of Techron on the Chinese marketplace.
They're definitely making up the special note in red on the bottom.
Most on their forum are convinced it enters the oil. Most of us use it once every 3000miles.
Some of them like to treat every tank with a maintenance dose.
They're definitely making up the special note in red on the bottom.
Most on their forum are convinced it enters the oil. Most of us use it once every 3000miles.
Some of them like to treat every tank with a maintenance dose.
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STP Concentrated, but I may try Chevron Techron here soon after seeing many good reviews.
Just bought a few 32oz bottles of Techron as it's 20% off at NAPA USA right now when you buy 3.
Comes out to $16/32oz.
Kind of annoying that it's almost impossible to find out how much PEA is in it these days.
The SDS from the NAPA product page says 30-60% and is dated 2015.
When I look up the same product number on Chevron's website (266701), this is what it says:
Has the product changed that much over the years...
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