OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
The 5.4 wasn't loved... with the shooting spark plugs and start up knock and all?
5.3s have far more start up knock problems than the 5.4 ever did, but less torque.
There's nothing the "Are you sure it has oil in it?" start up hammering with the 5.4.
But thanks anyway. Despite your feeble attempt at deflection, we all see how well the 5.4 worked out for Ford.
When will I ever come to the realization that in the eyes of many, Ford has never once made a mistake?
Watch out, zealot on the prowl!
We've owned THREE 5.4L engines, put 500,000Km on them collectively and NONE of them have EVER made start-up noise except when having an oil-filter issue. Quickly remedied when using the "right" Motorcraft filter. And this of course is timing chain tensioner noise, NOT piston slap.
GM OWNS the start-up noise market with their bulk bore-fitted piston-slapping LSx engines. There is a reason they re-designed the bloody pistons with coated skirts to alleviate it!
Now, I'm not saying they are bad engines. For something based on the Ford Windsor and Cleveland engines, they HAVE to be good. But they are FAR more notorious for start-up noise than any Ford engine ever will be. As Ben pointed out, there is even a domain dedicated to it! Some of them sound like a bloody diesel!
Now, in regards to your second point about seeing how well the 5.4L worked out for Ford. Well, let's see. It seemed to work out a LOT better than how the headgasket munching Northstar worked out for GM, which was their attempt at an OHC engine around the same time frame if I recall correctly....
The 4.6L and 5.4L engines were the result of the BOSS/Hurricane engine having it's bores shrunk to fit in a specific chassis. The beginning of the end for them was when the BOSS/Hurricane was brought back to life.
The 5.0L and 6.2L (and whatever incarnations spawn from those two engines) have greater potential than the engines they replace. Similar to how the 427 SOHC mopped the floor with ANYTHING GM ever developed throughout the 60's, except unlike the 427SOHC, BOSS/Hurricane is actually being fitted to production vehicles en-masse.
Comical with the GM zealots casting stones at an engine that, aside from some spark plug issues (and they managed to have them in both 2V and 3V form.... ultra fail!) worked out quite well for Ford. They were long lasting engines; would support a great deal of power reliably and carried the truck and SUV market for them for over a decade. I don't see that as any kind of failure.
Not like going bankrupt and getting owned by the federal government. But obviously GM's blatant superiority in everything automotive wouldn't let something like that happen... oh wait.
I'm not sure how a fanboy for a company essentially on welfare can look down their nose at anybody. But hey, if anybody is going to do it, it will be the GM crowd.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
The 5.4 wasn't loved... with the shooting spark plugs and start up knock and all?
5.3s have far more start up knock problems than the 5.4 ever did, but less torque.
There's nothing the "Are you sure it has oil in it?" start up hammering with the 5.4.
But thanks anyway. Despite your feeble attempt at deflection, we all see how well the 5.4 worked out for Ford.
When will I ever come to the realization that in the eyes of many, Ford has never once made a mistake?
Watch out, zealot on the prowl!
We've owned THREE 5.4L engines, put 500,000Km on them collectively and NONE of them have EVER made start-up noise except when having an oil-filter issue. Quickly remedied when using the "right" Motorcraft filter. And this of course is timing chain tensioner noise, NOT piston slap.
GM OWNS the start-up noise market with their bulk bore-fitted piston-slapping LSx engines. There is a reason they re-designed the bloody pistons with coated skirts to alleviate it!
Now, I'm not saying they are bad engines. For something based on the Ford Windsor and Cleveland engines, they HAVE to be good. But they are FAR more notorious for start-up noise than any Ford engine ever will be. As Ben pointed out, there is even a domain dedicated to it! Some of them sound like a bloody diesel!
Now, in regards to your second point about seeing how well the 5.4L worked out for Ford. Well, let's see. It seemed to work out a LOT better than how the headgasket munching Northstar worked out for GM, which was their attempt at an OHC engine around the same time frame if I recall correctly....
The 4.6L and 5.4L engines were the result of the BOSS/Hurricane engine having it's bores shrunk to fit in a specific chassis. The beginning of the end for them was when the BOSS/Hurricane was brought back to life.
The 5.0L and 6.2L (and whatever incarnations spawn from those two engines) have greater potential than the engines they replace. Similar to how the 427 SOHC mopped the floor with ANYTHING GM ever developed throughout the 60's, except unlike the 427SOHC, BOSS/Hurricane is actually being fitted to production vehicles en-masse.
Comical with the GM zealots casting stones at an engine that, aside from some spark plug issues (and they managed to have them in both 2V and 3V form.... ultra fail!) worked out quite well for Ford. They were long lasting engines; would support a great deal of power reliably and carried the truck and SUV market for them for over a decade. I don't see that as any kind of failure.
Not like going bankrupt and getting owned by the federal government. But obviously GM's blatant superiority in everything automotive wouldn't let something like that happen... oh wait.
I'm not sure how a fanboy for a company essentially on welfare can look down their nose at anybody. But hey, if anybody is going to do it, it will be the GM crowd.
