Sneak-peek @ Auto-RX PLUS cleaning after 1,400 mi

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
After looking at the OP pictures unless there is an issue with the engine I say leave well enough alone, as whats there is harmless in my opinion.


That was previously noted and acknowledged, though it may have been in another thread. I believe Artem is simply trying to find a product that can remove this buildup for no reason other than to say X product does or does not work.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
After looking at the OP pictures unless there is an issue with the engine I say leave well enough alone, as whats there is harmless in my opinion.


That was previously noted and acknowledged, though it may have been in another thread. I believe Artem is simply trying to find a product that can remove this buildup for no reason other than to say X product does or does not work.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

New drinking game. Have a drink every time these guys do -->

Keep going 'til ARX cleans Artem's engine.

 

[V8man]

If Artem is not gonna use his last 2 bottles of Auto-Rx Plus then maybe he can call Blackstone and send a sample for a VOA.

 

[expat]

Having cleaned engines to rebuild, I have to say, Valve cover deposits are very hard to clean. I use a solvent bath for cleaning and find internal parts easy clean up, were as upper cyl head an valve covers really take some time to soak.

 

[Turk]

Artem,

You're threads are sooooooooooo long. I bet I can spend almost an hour a day, every day lately, just to read your threads.

All my free time in my life goes towards your threads.

 

[SteveSRT8]

As expat pointed out it often takes strong solvents and a stiff brush to remove old baked on deposits. I just finished scraping the coked up ring grooves of an old beetle engine my BIL is rebuilding and I can tell you that stuff is HARD to remove.

I think most here have gotten a good glimpse of the REAL FM and his corporate strategies. Everyone can now make up their own mind.

Sorry that Artem got swept up in the trash as it may end up staining him by association. I'm sure there will be much hullaballo to discredit him coming down the pipeline...

 

[Mystic]

Artem is doing everybody a favor here because he is actually willing to do testing and to document before and after with photographs. Everybody here at this website should be able to appreciate what Artem did.

Artem tested Kreen, Auto-RX, Auto-RX+, and he says that he is going to test Pennzoil Ultra and maybe Pennzoil Ultra with MMO added. He was not trying to discredit any product but merely trying to find what would work in his engine.

If anybody tries to discredit the man for what he was trying to do that is just wrong. I for one really appreciate what Artem did. Actually somebody should have done this testing a long time ago. It would have saved us a lot of arguments at this website. It is kind of hard to argue with the before and after photographs displaying the results of the engine cleaners.

Artem did not show favoritism. He found that Kreen did not work in his engine and he said so. He said that Auto-RX and the new Auto-RX+ did not work in his engine and he said so. I think he is testing Pennzoil Ultra right now.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Mystic


If anybody tries to discredit the man for what he was trying to do that is just wrong.

Artem did not show favoritism. He found that Kreen did not work in his engine and he said so.


And look what happened when he said that ARX did better than kreen.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2939633#Post2939633

 

[Trav]

Why are you trolling with that now? He tested the new stuff, it didn't work, that's that.

Edit: Since he posted the results of ARX things have been pretty civil, why start with this nonsense? What's the problem?
You claim to have no vested interest in ARX so are you just trying to stir the pot or what?

 

[demarpaint]

I think the bottom line is this. A-Rx didn't work, A-Rx+ didn't work, Kreen didn't work, along with Amsoil's flush. As long as Artem is open to experimentation, why not see how PU does? We have the perfect test mule here, and all of us can benefit from this. FM should learn from the Kano people and Amsoil, they aren't here calling anyone names, or posting on their sites like children, controlling the thread so no one can reply. That is a poor business practice at any level. Lets learn from this, and thank Artem for his honesty and efforts!

 

[matrass]

wow, just got done reading the recent turn of events. I am sure Artem has done a fair test and reporting this finding in a clear concise manner with no bias. thank you Artem for taking the time to show us how your testing is going, along with your results you have seen during your testing. I for one would like to see how your next test goes for you.

 

[Artem]

I also felt that I gave ARX+ a fair shot. This is not the first time that I've used ARX, so Frank along with his "Lab" should have done the proper research on the engine, as well as ARX+ for that matter and he should have instantly suggested I do the two bottle fast track application as one bottle just simply isn't enough juice to get the job done, like we found out from TWO previous cleaning attempts with ARX.

Of course I understand his position and desire to give one bottle a try first to see what it would do but if the product is truly better then before, then 1 bottle after 1,400 miles should have done the same impact as the previous formula did after 3,000 miles, wouldn't it?

Now that Frank finally did his homework and knows what we're up against as far as this engine is concerned and the "non static varnish" that we're dealing with, he feels that TWO bottles of ARX+ along with Pennzoil Platinum is the ticket. I'm reluctantly willing to try it one last time but I've decided to first give Pennzoil Ultra a shot followed by a dose of MMO if the results are minimal. Afterward, I'll do a short flush with PP and give ARX+ a final chance to prove itself before I REALLY write my negative review on the product / company as a whole.

Sounds fair right?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Artem
I also felt that I gave ARX+ a fair shot. This is not the first time that I've used ARX, so Frank along with his "Lab" should have done the proper research on the engine, as well as ARX+ for that matter and he should have instantly suggested I do the two bottle fast track application as one bottle just simply isn't enough juice to get the job done, like we found out from TWO previous cleaning attempts with ARX.

Of course I understand his position and desire to give one bottle a try first to see what it would do but if the product is truly better then before, then 1 bottle after 1,400 miles should have done the same impact as the previous formula did after 3,000 miles, wouldn't it?

Now that Frank finally did his homework and knows what we're up against as far as this engine is concerned and the "non static varnish" that we're dealing with, he feels that TWO bottles of ARX+ along with Pennzoil Platinum is the ticket. I'm reluctantly willing to try it one last time but I've decided to first give Pennzoil Ultra a shot followed by a dose of MMO if the results are minimal. Afterward, I'll do a short flush with PP and give ARX+ a final chance to prove itself before I REALLY write my negative review on the product / company as a whole.

Sounds fair right?


Seems fair to me, but after all that has been said and done, I'd write him off and move on.

 

[Voltmaster]

Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: Trav
Artem let me be the first to offer an apology. I though you may have been in the tank for this as so many in the past have been and still are but your obviously a straight up guy.


Apology accepted.

Originally Posted By: Trav
Would you consider just running PU for 1 OCI alone to see if in fact it does anything.


I was actually planning to use this next...

Shall I leave out the MMO and try just PU for all the Pennzoil lovers / believers?



+1 on the MMO ,
I used it with PYB on first oil change on my new accord. All i can say is WOW.
after 850miles the oil was DISGUSTING and used pur1filter too.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Artem
I also felt that I gave ARX+ a fair shot. This is not the first time that I've used ARX, so Frank along with his "Lab" should have done the proper research on the engine, as well as ARX+ for that matter and he should have instantly suggested I do the two bottle fast track application as one bottle just simply isn't enough juice to get the job done, like we found out from TWO previous cleaning attempts with ARX.

Of course I understand his position and desire to give one bottle a try first to see what it would do but if the product is truly better then before, then 1 bottle after 1,400 miles should have done the same impact as the previous formula did after 3,000 miles, wouldn't it?

Now that Frank finally did his homework and knows what we're up against as far as this engine is concerned and the "non static varnish" that we're dealing with, he feels that TWO bottles of ARX+ along with Pennzoil Platinum is the ticket. I'm reluctantly willing to try it one last time but I've decided to first give Pennzoil Ultra a shot followed by a dose of MMO if the results are minimal. Afterward, I'll do a short flush with PP and give ARX+ a final chance to prove itself before I REALLY write my negative review on the product / company as a whole.

Sounds fair right?


Fair to whom? Honestly, at this point you're starting to sound like a preschool teacher "Now Frankie, that wasn't nice. Let's take a time out and try this again later."

 

[Mystic]

Artem already tried Auto-RX and Auto-RX+. I think it is time to give up on them. I can hardly wait myself for the Pennzoil Ultra results. And maybe he will also test Pennzoil Ultra with MMO.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012


Fair to whom? Honestly, at this point you're starting to sound like a preschool teacher "Now Frankie, that wasn't nice. Let's take a time out and try this again later."

I seem to have upset Frank and want to make things right as I don't like going to bed angry.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Artem already tried Auto-RX and Auto-RX+. I think it is time to give up on them. I can hardly wait myself for the Pennzoil Ultra results. And maybe he will also test Pennzoil Ultra with MMO.


Do you want to see the results of an 800 mile trip over two days? Or, wait until more miles are put on the fill?

I don't mind pulling the valve cover now, @ 1,500 miles, 3,000 miles and finally @ 4,000 miles, just to document any progress (if any).

 

[Mystic]

Well, I can understand that Artem. I think you are a nice guy. And longer testing of Auto-RX+ would be okay. What would it hurt? I want everybody here to know this is fair, unbiased testing on your part. You could give Auto-RX+ a second chance with maybe a 3000 mile test plus a rinse cycle that they recommend.

I do hope you do the Pennzoil Ultra test first, however. I would like to find out if PU really can clean a dirty engine like Pennzoil claims. If it cannot do so there is no point in spending the extra money for it.

It really would not surprise me if in the end that engine has to be physically cleaned. It may well be that none of these engine cleaners (Auto-RX+, Kreen or MMO) will be able to clean that engine and Pennzoil Ultra might not be able to do it either although it would be nice to find out. But the engine is still running good, right?

Once the engine was cleaned up I don't know exactly what would be required to keep that engine clean. Maybe extra cooling could be added somehow. And if Pennzoil Ultra really does not do much you could probably use any oil, although synthetic oil might work best and be less likely to coke. You could probably go back to Mobil 1 oil.