Originally Posted by doitmyself
There are lots of facts showing Chinese Craftsman having lower attributes than even the declining US Craftsman of recent past:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=craftsman+wrench+quality+china+vs.+US
So your "proof" is a couple of You Tube videos? OK, if you're convinced then I'm happy for you.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
You don't acknowledge a difference between homeowner use of tools and professional use of tools.
No I don't because it's total B.S. You have car dealerships full of young, pimple faced 18 and 20 year old kids who are, considered to be "professional mechanics". Because they work in the trade. They have all but zero experience in their field. But they have a nice big, shiny set of expensive, Snap On tools. That is going to take them 5 years or more to pay off through payroll deductions.
You also have "homeowners" in their 40's, 50's, and 60's who have done more mechanical work by mistake, than any of these kids I just described have done on purpose. And they have a garage full of well used Craftsman, Harbor Freight, and other much lower cost brands of tools. They are not "professionals".
So you'll have to pardon me if I don't buy into your whole "professional" vs. "homeowner" diatribe. It's nothing but pure nonsense. The brand of tools you own means nothing in your ability to use them effectively. Or for that matter how long they'll last.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
You emphasize the importance of Snap-on ownership as a status symbol.
Because for a lot of people it is. There is no getting around it. It is ridiculous for young kids to go into such debt for mechanics tools. Yet Snap On lures these kids into these high interest, long term financed, contracts on status alone. And takes advantage of them financially. Their tools are no better than many other brands. And their warranty is worse. In some cases much worse. As I showed in my post.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
You don't understand my analogy of Akebono pads with only a 30 day warranty or Chinese water pump with a lifetime warranty.
I understand it perfectly. I don't find it applicable in this case at all. You can't return brake pads and water pumps once they are installed, without a great deal of difficulty, and added labor. I can replace a broken wrench at Harbor Freight, or a Craftsman at Home Depot in 15 minutes. Big difference. It's nothing but a silly apples and oranges comparison, in some feeble attempt to justify Snap On's weak, flimsy warranty. A better warranty is better, period. And you running interference with water pumps and brake pads won't make it worse.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
You don't accept that Sears still has a hand in Craftsman production. Here's an example: The Sears line of Craftsman 20V drills is different and not compatible with the Lowes Craftsman 20V drill. This means that Sears requested to SBD to produce a drill for them that is different than what SBD is producing for Lowes.
So what? It's done all the time by countless manufacturers for their customers. They are contracting Craftsman to build them a particular product.
Which they are paying Craftsman for. They do not have a hand in day to day operations involving the other products that are being manufactured by Craftsman. Or how or where they are produced, distributed and sold.
Only for what they contract and pay for. I shouldn't have to be explaining this to you. It's basic merchandising and manufacturing 101.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
You state it's not your warranty logic and them back it up with
"If you still think Snap On is they way to go, in spite of their "mediocre warranty", then by all means buy them. They'll be more than happy to take your money. And you'll be the coolest guy in the garage." Your entire argument seems to be about warranty.
It's not an "argument", but yes, it is about warranty. That is what I posted. The
warranties of all three tools. That's it. You took it from there, blew the whole thing up, because you were obviously offended. If me posting those warranties offends you, that's not my problem. You'll just have to get over it.
I said I struck a "painful nerve" with Snap On owners, and or supporters because I did. Why else would Trav edit out Snap On's warranty exclusions, when he quoted my post showing it in it's entirety? That's a childish joke in itself. Does he think no one is going to see what he did? I posted the entire thing right above his. That's petty, childish, and stupid. And it shows I did indeed, "strike a nerve". Because it bothered him so much to see Snap On's inferior warranty starring him in the face. So he deleted it.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
The difference is that I can understand why some people choose Snap-on and you won't.
I understand perfectly why people choose Snap On. I just happen to upset some of them when I posted their warranty, and compared it to the others. Again, I didn't write those warranties. I just posted them so people can read for themselves. It obviously upset some of them. If that's the case, they should complain to Snap On, not me. I don't care what they or you buy, or their reasons for doing so.
