Should i extend OCI on a vehicle under warranty?

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Originally Posted By: Pablo
I will say don't do it. If it sludges up or get ganky, GM won't provide clean up coverage or any warranty coverage for RELATED damage.

Then I will say 99% of the people on this forum just regurgitate what they think a warranty covers or doesn't cover.

Here is a fact: GM cannot deny warranty coverage, or somehow "void" your entire warranty for simply running an OCI beyond the OLM.



Sorry OT, but "ganky"? Just curious.

OP, I will not comment on warranty issue as I believe things are different up here. Personally, I do what most are saying and run the OLM or shorter. Still am now when out of waranty.

What are your reasons for wanting to extend the OCI?
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
These days corporations will do almost anything to get out of a warranty claim. Dont make it any easier for them to deny yours.


THIS!^^^^

There is more pressure than ever before to do exactly this. It's just not worth the small amount of savings.
 
Originally Posted By: cp3


What are your reasons for wanting to extend the OCI?


Time/Money is a small factor. I am on like oil change 7 and i have a 2011. Only a few were cut short by changing around 10-15%. Even the dreaded FF.

Other reason is a personal thing...I usually strive to get the most out of anything. This obviously doesn't apply to vehicles only...kind of like rules to live by. Having said that i would, whether now or future (this car or a different one), only extend the interval if it had no detrimental effect on the life of the vehicle.

Thanks for the input so far everyone.
 
Originally Posted By: Live_Wire
As of right now I haven't gone beyond GM's OCI on the 2011 Terrain. If I do and I have an oil related failure or major engine failure they would probably ask for proof of maintenance which I do myself and didnt keep receipts up to this point anyway. After making sure i am not going to a level where it will shorten the life of the engine, should i start extending out the intervals? BTW OnStar knows my OLM!

Comments and personal experiences welcome.


You could use Amsoil 100% Synthetic and do the 1 Year 25,000 mile OCI.

I would read the Amsoil Warranty 1st, and if you have any questions, you can PM Pablo!
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself

Regarding use on non OEM parts, it is my understanding that the Magneson Moss act protects us on this. However, if damage occurs due to that part, then they CAN deny warranty. Example: your Fram or WIX oil filter collapses due to defect and ruins the engine. The auto company can deny warranty. So, using non OEM can result in another hoop to jump thru if a warranty claim is made.


What you posted ^^^ is true. I just assumed people would realize that. Using a Wix oil filter, that is correct for the vehicle, does not void your warranty. However, if the filter itself fails and causes the damage the mfg will not cover the repair. You will have to go after Wix for that. I don't really consider this a way out for the car mfg though, as the failuer that caused the damage was not their doing and thus not their responsibility to warranty, and I guess why I didn't bring it up. Good that you did however.
 
Originally Posted By: Artem

I've worked in the auto repair business for a while now and have yet to hear of massive engine failure from an auto manufacturer where the oil was at fault. It's always something mechanical that breaks or will break and so it's covered regardless of your oil choice or OCI.


Not too long back we had a member here posting that this exact scenario happened to them with a Toyota( 4Runner as I recall ). Pretty major damage to the valve train area( mechanical failure and not lubrication related ). Before Toyota would do the warranty work however the OP had to provide enough receipts showing he had done the proper # of OC's( for the time/mileage he had the vehicle - proof of 7 total OC's worth of oil and filters needed as I recall he posted )and that it verified he used the correct oil and filter as well. The OP had done DIY OC's so there was no record of maintenance at the dealer.

No work was done on his vehicle until that info was provided to the car mfg through the dealer. Luckily for him he actually had the proof needed and thus Toyota proceeded to repair his vehicle. Had he not had that proof it would have been a long fight for him to get it repaired and one he may or may not have won even though it was a mechanical failure and not a lubrication failure. These days to car mfg's a failure is a failure and reasons why do not matter.

It is SOP these days for car mfg to really crack down on making sure proper maintenance is performed. If not they jump on it as a way out. Even way back in the 90's when I worked in dealer service they did it. All car mfg's are much stricter these days though.
 
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Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I will say don't do it. If it sludges up or get ganky, GM won't provide clean up coverage or any warranty coverage for RELATED damage.

Then I will say 99% of the people on this forum just regurgitate what they think a warranty covers or doesn't cover.

Here is a fact: GM cannot deny warranty coverage, or somehow "void" your entire warranty for simply running an OCI beyond the OLM.


If you use a UOA to help you safely extend the OCI (if you can even safely extend it beyond the factory interval) then you shouldn't have an engine problem, therefor, i don't see how extending the OCI will cause you any problems with either the warranty or the engine itself...
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Someone explain how it's such a big deal?

I modified my 07 Honda Civic Si within 500 miles of driving it off the dealership lot, Brand New, voiding the engine warranty, transmission warranty, suspension, etc etc.

There was a recall for a bad wheel bearing, they fixed it.
There was a recall for a bad crank pulley bolt, they fixed it.
There was a recall for something related to the power steering, they fixed it.

I never had a problem getting warranty to cover anything and i had a modified car, which voided several warranties.
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If you did engine mods and blew the engine on one of those modified cars or trashed the transmission I don't think they'd be so eager to fix the car. I recall selling a new car to some kid who decided to do some mods and lower the vehicle. He had front end problems and came back to the dealer complaining, stating that he did these mods to other cars and "never had a problem". They sent him packing.

Whenever there are mods done to a car still under warranty you run the risk of having warranty issues "should" a problem arise. You might get lucky, you might not. The warranty issues you mentioned had nothing to do with the mods you did, I see no reason why they wouldn't cover you.

As far as UOA reports go for extending OCIs while under warranty. If you have a problem the dealer might just look at them and laugh. Then its lawyer time, who needs the hassle? 50/50 chance, they might cover it, they might not, it ain't worth it to me, to save a few $$ on oil in a new car.


Truth is they can't void your entire warranty, only part of it. Two examples: The part that was modified, or the part that didn't get serviced with an approved fluid and the recommended intervals, might not be covered. OTOH if you run extended OCIs on a new car and the radio [censored] out while under warranty they'll fix the radio.

Stick to mfg approved oil, and follow the OM for when to change it, less risk, less hassle if a problem arises. JMO
 
If i did an engine mod and blew the engine as a result of cheap parts, too much boost or improper tuning (Turbo, Supercharger) or simply because something failed because i was revving way past the factory rev limiter, i wouldn't be running to the dealer for "warranty" work because the failure isn't a result of a factory part that failed under normal driving conditions.

I feel that, that's a whole different subject and is not something warranty related, if the car is modified.

Oil changes under warranty are a different thing.

Besides, it's not like the OP will go from 5k OCIs to 15k OCIs so "IF" it comes to showing proof of maintenance, he will only have say 5 receipts worth of OC's vs having 20.
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Extending a thousand or two past the recommended factory interval isn't going to kill the engine. We all know this but still insist otherwise when the "W" word is used. I just honestly don't see the big deal.

If you choose to use an oil and filter combo that is 2x better then the OEM spec, it just further reinforces my comments above that again, there will not be any problems if you extend the OCIs a couple thousand if supported by UOA.

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Originally Posted By: Artem
If i did an engine mod and blew the engine as a result of cheap parts, too much boost or improper tuning (Turbo, Supercharger) or simply because something failed because i was revving way past the factory rev limiter, i wouldn't be running to the dealer for "warranty" work because the failure isn't a result of a factory part that failed under normal driving conditions.

I feel that, that's a whole different subject and is not something warranty related, if the car is modified.

Oil changes under warranty are a different thing.

Besides, it's not like the OP will go from 5k OCIs to 15k OCIs so "IF" it comes to showing proof of maintenance, he will only have say 5 receipts worth of OC's vs having 20.
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Extending a thousand or two past the recommended factory interval isn't going to kill the engine. We all know this but still insist otherwise when the "W" word is used. I just honestly don't see the big deal.

If you choose to use an oil and filter combo that is 2x better then the OEM spec, it just further reinforces my comments above that again, there will not be any problems if you extend the OCIs a couple thousand if supported by UOA.

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While you might not run to the dealer looking for warranty coverage if a mod you did caused a problem, many people do. Many end up learning the hard way. In fact with close to 39,000 members here I'd be willing to wager a few would.

Statements like a warranty can't be voided for extending an OCI isn't really true. The missing part of that statement is a part of the warranty can be voided if in fact the problem is oil related and the person extended the OCI. People are here to learn, and might just be getting bad info.

As far as a UOA goes, a dealer isn't going to take a UOA a customer supplied as Gospel. If the service writer knows a thing or two about just how many UOA reports are wrong he'll use that to defend his position. Then in comes the lawyer.

Does running over by a thousand miles matter? Not really, but who wants to give a dealer an out during the warranty period. JMO
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Statements like a warranty can't be voided for extending an OCI isn't really true. The missing part of that statement is a part of the warranty can be voided if in fact the problem is oil related and the person extended the OCI. People are here to learn, and might just be getting bad info.



No, the bad info they constantly get here is "doing XYZ will VOID your warranty". There are certain things that will and won't "void" the warranty. A warranty can not be "voided" simply by going beyond a recommended OCI. True - IF by some very, very bizarre chance - the OIL that has been in car an extra 1000 miles causes damage to a part, then maybe the warranty would not cover that part and the labor. But that is a whole lot different than the lousy typical advice that "your warranty will be voided".

So how many times have we seen damage to engine parts by going a few thousand miles over the recommended OCI?
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: lexus114
These days corporations will do almost anything to get out of a warranty claim. Dont make it any easier for them to deny yours.


THIS!^^^^

There is more pressure than ever before to do exactly this. It's just not worth the small amount of savings.




Thanks Steve......
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Statements like a warranty can't be voided for extending an OCI isn't really true. The missing part of that statement is a part of the warranty can be voided if in fact the problem is oil related and the person extended the OCI. People are here to learn, and might just be getting bad info.



No, the bad info they constantly get here is "doing XYZ will VOID your warranty". There are certain things that will and won't "void" the warranty. A warranty can not be "voided" simply by going beyond a recommended OCI. True - IF by some very, very bizarre chance - the OIL that has been in car an extra 1000 miles causes damage to a part, then maybe the warranty would not cover that part and the labor. But that is a whole lot different than the lousy typical advice that "your warranty will be voided".

So how many times have we seen damage to engine parts by going a few thousand miles over the recommended OCI?


What is wrong with what I said? Why would you want to gamble with a new car warranty? When for less than $30 you can change the oil and keep everyone happy?
 
Nothing totally wrong with your statement as a whole but you write "warranty can't be voided for extending an OCI isn't really true" implies that the warranty will be VOIDED. And that is incorrect. You perpetuate the warranty "void" myth. Why?
 
Here's what you quoted from me: "Statements like a warranty can't be voided for extending an OCI isn't really true. The missing part of that statement is a part of the warranty can be voided if in fact the problem is oil related and the person extended the OCI. People are here to learn, and might just be getting bad info".

I think you're reading into it more than you should be.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I could be reading too much into it. Please give me your definition of "voided warranty".


Customer extends OCI on new car, sludge or varnish causes lifter noise. Dealer inspects and sees sludge/varnish and asks for proof of OCI. OCI is outside of OM set limits, work is denied. There is a "voided warranty" example.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I could be reading too much into it. Please give me your definition of "voided warranty".


Customer extends OCI on new car, sludge or varnish causes lifter noise. Dealer inspects and sees sludge/varnish and asks for proof of OCI. OCI is outside of OM set limits, work is denied. There is a "voided warranty" example.


Agree, that the work being done at the mfr/dealer expense may be denied. But the warranty certainly is not "voided" as a whole. So what is missing when you guys say the warranty is voided, are the further words about your entire warranty will certainly not be voided. You just won't be covered if you don't perform appropriate maintenance.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/void

Noun:
2. (Law) not legally binding null and void
Verb:
1. to make ineffective or invalid
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Artem
If i did an engine mod and blew the engine as a result of cheap parts, too much boost or improper tuning (Turbo, Supercharger) or simply because something failed because i was revving way past the factory rev limiter, i wouldn't be running to the dealer for "warranty" work because the failure isn't a result of a factory part that failed under normal driving conditions.

I feel that, that's a whole different subject and is not something warranty related, if the car is modified.

Oil changes under warranty are a different thing.

Besides, it's not like the OP will go from 5k OCIs to 15k OCIs so "IF" it comes to showing proof of maintenance, he will only have say 5 receipts worth of OC's vs having 20.
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Extending a thousand or two past the recommended factory interval isn't going to kill the engine. We all know this but still insist otherwise when the "W" word is used. I just honestly don't see the big deal.

If you choose to use an oil and filter combo that is 2x better then the OEM spec, it just further reinforces my comments above that again, there will not be any problems if you extend the OCIs a couple thousand if supported by UOA.

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While you might not run to the dealer looking for warranty coverage if a mod you did caused a problem, many people do. Many end up learning the hard way. In fact with close to 39,000 members here I'd be willing to wager a few would.

Statements like a warranty can't be voided for extending an OCI isn't really true. The missing part of that statement is a part of the warranty can be voided if in fact the problem is oil related and the person extended the OCI. People are here to learn, and might just be getting bad info.

As far as a UOA goes, a dealer isn't going to take a UOA a customer supplied as Gospel. If the service writer knows a thing or two about just how many UOA reports are wrong he'll use that to defend his position. Then in comes the lawyer.

Does running over by a thousand miles matter? Not really, but who wants to give a dealer an out during the warranty period. JMO


My point is, there should be any lube related warranty problems if a UOA is used to safely extend the interval based on YOUR driving style and the unique driving conditions that YOU put the car through. The factory suggested interval is an average number that is designed to work with everyone in the country who runs the car in their particular environment.

I do agree that perhaps it's best to avoid warranty voiding things until the darn thing is expired...
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The whole warranty wouldn't be void, but they won't payout on that engine problem. If your power seat isn't working they'll fix that.
 
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