Sears/Craftsman/USA=ripoff

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Originally Posted By: jcwit
I live in the U.S., receive total free health care, that encludes everything, meds, hospital, everything. A couple of cars, fully paid for, a house fully paid for, kids are grown so they're out of the picture.

As you say blah-blah-blah
yes life is good.

I still do not believe the avg, cinese worker lives on substance/slave wages.

I guess I'll agree to disagree!


Then explain a 365-day work year and 16-hour work days?

And I mean this excluding the $0.75/hour wage. Don't look at that part, I want you to look at the TIME and tell me how that isn't a slave labour situation.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Whos to say thats the average situation for the average chinese citizen.

Am I to take your word for it?


In the article, he was cited as being an average worker on this project.......

Regardless of whether you somehow manage to believe that these magically aren't the average working conditions (and the facts about Foxconn city must all be false too.....) would you consider 16 hour work days and 365-day work years ACCEPTABLE conditions in America? Again, this is ignoring the fact that he makes $0.75/hr.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit

I still do not believe the avg, cinese worker lives on substance/slave wages.



I think they call this "cognitive dissonance" .

After all the elite masters at the "worldbank" told him they don't have slave wages, isn't that spoon fed pablum enough?

I don't want to be rude but jcwit you are no longer in the military so you do not have to accept what "leaders" feed you.

Look at the rest of the data from other sources and most importantly you must THINK FOR YOURSELF. Don't let others do the thinking or processing of the information for you.

Also want to add one more thing, God help any ordinary Chinese serf if they so much as utter one peep about not liking their wages or conditions, because when they do often times they end up missing, dead, or in a gulag, likely never to be heard from again.
 
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Originally Posted By: jcwit

I still do not believe the avg, cinese worker lives on substance/slave wages.



I think they call this "cognitive dissonance" .

After all the elite masters at the "worldbank" told him they don't have slave wages, isn't that spoon fed pablum enough?

I don't want to be rude but jcwit you are no longer in the military so you do not have to accept what "leaders" feed you.

Look at the rest of the data from other sources and most importantly you must THINK FOR YOURSELF. Don't let others do the thinking or processing of the information for you.

Also want to add one more thing, God help any ordinary Chinese serf if they so much as utter one peep about not liking their wages or conditions, because when they do often times they end up missing, dead, or in a gulag, likely never to be heard from again.


And yet this is exactly what the others here on this board are attempting to make me bielieve when I've alreadly done some research on google.

Also want to add one more thing, God help any ordinary Chinese serf if they so much as utter one peep about not liking their wages or conditions, because when they do often times they end up missing, dead, or in a gulag, likely never to be heard from again. [/quote]

And you know this for a fact?

As I've already said, I must agree to disagree.
 
That is one of the things the Chinese leadership has been trying to block for years now....the birth of the www and the ability to get out stories like that about the Foxconn and other plant suicides. If this was twenty years ago the world would likely have never heard about this, and other atrocities wrought by the communist/fascist/totalitarian government of China.

@jcwit, you need to expand your number of sources away from the "official" ones, and that includes the corporate controlled media in the US, which has a vested interest in minimizing such atrocities because of business interests there.
 
Originally Posted By: 91344George
That is one of the things the Chinese leadership has been trying to block for years now....the birth of the www and the ability to get out stories like that about the Foxconn and other plant suicides. If this was twenty years ago the world would likely have never heard about this, and other atrocities wrought by the communist/fascist/totalitarian government of China.

@jcwit, you need to expand your number of sources away from the "official" ones, and that includes the corporate controlled media in the US, which has a vested interest in minimizing such atrocities because of business interests there.


True. The national suicide rate in China is something like 24x the rate of that at Foxconn. Yet Foxconn had to put up nets to curb the jumpers.....

And Foxconn is supposedly one of the nicest places in China to work. Eight people living in a "dorm" that is the size of a two-car garage. Sounds really pleasant to me......
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
jcwit: Do yourself a favour and look up Foxconn suicides. China is not a land of rainbows and ponies.


Looking back over all my posts I can not find one reference to rainbows or ponies, not one!

Do I believe the avg. chinese is grovelling for the next bean? NO I do not.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
jcwit: Do yourself a favour and look up Foxconn suicides. China is not a land of rainbows and ponies.


Looking back over all my posts I can not find one reference to rainbows or ponies, not one!

Do I believe the avg. chinese is grovelling for the next bean? NO I do not.


You don't have to be grovelling for beans to be living in "slave" conditions.

Perhaps in your mind (since you haven't answered me on this) 16hr work days and 365-day work years are acceptable.

In my mind, those are slave-labour conditions.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


And Foxconn is supposedly one of the nicest places in China to work. Eight people living in a "dorm" that is the size of a two-car garage. Sounds really pleasant to me......


Reminds me of the basic training barracks I lived in.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


And Foxconn is supposedly one of the nicest places in China to work. Eight people living in a "dorm" that is the size of a two-car garage. Sounds really pleasant to me......


Reminds me of the basic training barracks I lived in.


And perhaps we've now come to the root of why there appears to be such a disagreement between yourself and everybody else who has contributed to this thread.

And please don't take that in a negative way! Simply that if you have lived/worked in conditions that others may deem as appalling, you may be less sensitive to conditions that the rest of us find unreasonable.
 
Would I rather live here than in china, here of course, but I still believe there are much worse places to live in this world. And china is a developing world power which is not to our advantage. I see on tonights news they now have an aircraft carrier.

BTW, what happened to Sears/Craftsman/USA?
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Would I rather live here than in china, here of course, but I still believe there are much worse places to live in this world. And china is a developing world power which is not to our advantage. I see on tonights news they now have an aircraft carrier.

BTW, what happened to Sears/Craftsman/USA?


We had a typical BITOG thread derailment of course
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And yes, China's comeuppance in world power status is advantageous to nobody but China.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Whos to say thats the average situation for the average chinese citizen.

Am I to take your word for it?


you're being disingenuous. There are volumes written about the working conditions and environmental standards in China, India and much of South East Asia. You don't have to "take anyone's word for it", just do a Google search. Who's word you shouldn't trust on the subject: Chinese officials and statistics released by the Chinese government. I've witnessed the dog and pony show that they put on for US businessmen to make them feel good about having their goods made in China, and I also got to witness some of the tertiary facilities that actually do the bulk of the actual manufacturing. It's not a pretty sight.
 
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Whos to say thats the average situation for the average chinese citizen.

Am I to take your word for it?


you're being disingenuous. There are volumes written about the working conditions and environmental standards in China, India and much of South East Asia. You don't have to "take anyone's word for it", just do a Google search. Who's word you shouldn't trust on the subject: Chinese officials and statistics released by the Chinese government. I've witnessed the dog and pony show that they put on for US businessmen to make them feel good about having their goods made in China, and I also got to witness some of the tertiary facilities that actually do the bulk of the actual manufacturing. It's not a pretty sight.


I did do a google search and posted a couple of links that were the first ones that google gave me. Was promptly informed that the material I linked to was ridiculous. Suggest you go back and read some of the former posts.

Tell you what, for the third time now, lets agree to disagree, whether you feel I'm disingenuous or not.
 
Who is willing to raise his hands and say "$46 for 115 piece set" is "USA" price? I understand that you are getting a "USA" set today for that amount but the price is NOT "USA" price. To put it differently, if tomorrow Sears puts chinese set but still charges the same price, you really should not be outraged.

The price paid to begin with was NOT "USA" price, so you were not entitled to get "USA" product even though you got one.

Equivalent Snap-On set will run many hundreds of dollars. If you had paid few hundreds (200-300) for the Craftsman set, then you should expect "USA" quality. At $46, you can NOT expect "USA" quality. If you get it, consider it as a miracle.

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To put it differently, if tomorrow Sears puts chinese set but still charges the same price, you really should not be outraged.


Agreed but don't put the Craftsman name on it, use the Evolv name which is why that brand was created anyway.
The Crafstman brand was always Made in USA and Warrantied Forever it said so right over the door at one time. It was a tool for advanced DIY and guys starting out in the business.

Craftsman was never high end but they were good mid priced tools, a decent ratchet at $25-30 is not $46 for a 115 piece set and no one ever expected a Craftsman set at such a fire sale price. IMO Sears should not even sell a set like that with the Craftsman name on it.
 
another store no longer have us tools is lowes. they are tiawan tools. i will have to look at wright tools. i did not know they still existed. i have a set of there sockets i got back in 1960. iam also not a guy who complains about no us made tools and drives a foreign made auto..
 
Originally Posted By: Trav

Agreed but don't put the Craftsman name on it, use the Evolv name which is why that brand was created anyway.
The Crafstman brand was always Made in USA and Warrantied Forever it said so right over the door at one time. It was a tool for advanced DIY and guys starting out in the business.

IMO Sears should not even sell a set like that (Made in china) with the Craftsman name on it.





Wow, if only Sears brASS hats had the smarts to realize this.

Another case of grossly overpaid incompetent execs destroying a legendary brand with nearly a century of heritage behind it.

To the Sears executives....have you NO sense of integrity in your lust for the last meaingless red cent?
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