Ok why does everyone say get rid of the car? It runs fine. It just passed emission3 months ago has good compression. It's just the oil control rings are dirty. I've only had it in for 500 miles or so. It Is the conventional super btw. Seems to do fine the car just burns it.
saturn uses a quart every 600 miles now.
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I have a 99 SL2 1.9 DOHC. It has used some oil ever since we bought with 60k. It has around 130k now, it is a short tripper, less than 10 miles a day. I usually use a quart in 800-1000 miles.
I currently use Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, it started fine 20 below zero last winter. It does consume less with High Mileage oil. I also did a MMO piston soak, let it sit all weekend. Also ran some MMO in the crank case for one oil change, consumption has reduced, not sure exactly how much. I may try a Kreen soak in the future to see if that helps further.
Don't junk the car, as long as you keep the oil topped off, it will run just about forever.
I currently use Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, it started fine 20 below zero last winter. It does consume less with High Mileage oil. I also did a MMO piston soak, let it sit all weekend. Also ran some MMO in the crank case for one oil change, consumption has reduced, not sure exactly how much. I may try a Kreen soak in the future to see if that helps further.
Don't junk the car, as long as you keep the oil topped off, it will run just about forever.
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Ok why does everyone say get rid of the car? It runs fine. It just passed emission3 months ago has good compression. It's just the oil control rings are dirty. I've only had it in for 500 miles or so. It Is the conventional super btw. Seems to do fine the car just burns it.
I have a 99 SL2 with over 190,000 miles on it. Basically, I have the same engine you have. I am having valve guide smoke. I tried all the piston soaks, various oils, etc. I stocked up on oil when it was cheap. Luke, a senior Saturnfans.com member has over 700,000 miles on the original block (95 SL2). He averages over 40 MPG. Last I heard he was using about a quart of oil every 500 miles. Oil consumption does not mean the engine will fail in short order. I am at about 1 quart per 600 miles with the original cat. I like the car's features. I am keeping mine. It runs great.
Ok why does everyone say get rid of the car? It runs fine. It just passed emission3 months ago has good compression. It's just the oil control rings are dirty. I've only had it in for 500 miles or so. It Is the conventional super btw. Seems to do fine the car just burns it.
I have a 99 SL2 with over 190,000 miles on it. Basically, I have the same engine you have. I am having valve guide smoke. I tried all the piston soaks, various oils, etc. I stocked up on oil when it was cheap. Luke, a senior Saturnfans.com member has over 700,000 miles on the original block (95 SL2). He averages over 40 MPG. Last I heard he was using about a quart of oil every 500 miles. Oil consumption does not mean the engine will fail in short order. I am at about 1 quart per 600 miles with the original cat. I like the car's features. I am keeping mine. It runs great.
I have 2 Saturns , they are really good cars , I have one with 150.000 miles on it , burns oil; during the summer and spring I use a mix of 10/40w with 15w40 50/50 mix , and during winter just 10/40w thats the only way to stop the oil consumption , top off I use just 10/40w , you can also change the pcv valve to a fix hold , autozone pcv 1009 and thats pretty much it . Saturn(sl1 , sl2) probably is the most durable American car by far.
I agree with you guys I did a piston soak 15 hrs yesterday and doing another one tonight . The two middle cylinders seem to leak down but the outer two do not. Not sure if that's good or bad
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I agree with you guys I did a piston soak 15 hrs yesterday and doing another one tonight . The two middle cylinders seem to leak down but the outer two do not. Not sure if that's good or bad
What did you do the piston soak with? you will need to use a strong solvent like chemtool b-12 and let it sit over night then repeat , then lube the cyl with mmo or oil then turn it over with the plugs out to clear any liquid. install plugs and immediately change the oil.
I agree with you guys I did a piston soak 15 hrs yesterday and doing another one tonight . The two middle cylinders seem to leak down but the outer two do not. Not sure if that's good or bad
What did you do the piston soak with? you will need to use a strong solvent like chemtool b-12 and let it sit over night then repeat , then lube the cyl with mmo or oil then turn it over with the plugs out to clear any liquid. install plugs and immediately change the oil.
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I'm using mmo and now atf
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I'm using mmo and now atf
You really need a REAL solvent in there bud. I've already suggested one to you.
I'm using mmo and now atf
You really need a REAL solvent in there bud. I've already suggested one to you.
I'm trying mmo because I have it and atf. My point is to not spend alot of money . Amd on the Saturn forum a lot of people have good results with mmo if it doesn't help ill try chem tool. I dont get paid till Friday
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
I'm trying mmo because I have it and atf. My point is to not spend alot of money . Amd on the Saturn forum a lot of people have good results with mmo if it doesn't help ill try chem tool. I dont get paid till Friday
ATF isn't a solvent either. I understand why you are doing what you are doing, but I really think you are wasting your time. If you've ever tried to remove varnish from a surface then I'm sure MMO or ATF weren't high on your list of chemicals to use for that process. In this situation the same logic applies.
I'm trying mmo because I have it and atf. My point is to not spend alot of money . Amd on the Saturn forum a lot of people have good results with mmo if it doesn't help ill try chem tool. I dont get paid till Friday
ATF isn't a solvent either. I understand why you are doing what you are doing, but I really think you are wasting your time. If you've ever tried to remove varnish from a surface then I'm sure MMO or ATF weren't high on your list of chemicals to use for that process. In this situation the same logic applies.
They are both high in detergents and do soften up carbon and a lot of people say they have had positive results so why won't it work?
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
They are both high in detergents and do soften up carbon and a lot of people say they have had positive results so why won't it work?
It is the varnish that is the issue, not necessarily the carbon. And neither of them are very aggressive. You need aggressive for this.
If this is an issue of stuck rings, then what has happened is that you now have a thick coating of varnish holding those rings flush against the piston. They won't move. Anything you dump down that chamber is going to either sit on top of the piston, or go on down past the rings into your oil pan. Very little of it is going to remain in contact with the surface that requires attention. This is why you need something that is fast acting and will quickly dissolve the varnish and allow the rings to move again. Once the ring moves, it can come out of the land, and further solvent will go BEHIND the ring to clean that area out as well. None of the products you have been using are capable of doing that.
They are both high in detergents and do soften up carbon and a lot of people say they have had positive results so why won't it work?
It is the varnish that is the issue, not necessarily the carbon. And neither of them are very aggressive. You need aggressive for this.
If this is an issue of stuck rings, then what has happened is that you now have a thick coating of varnish holding those rings flush against the piston. They won't move. Anything you dump down that chamber is going to either sit on top of the piston, or go on down past the rings into your oil pan. Very little of it is going to remain in contact with the surface that requires attention. This is why you need something that is fast acting and will quickly dissolve the varnish and allow the rings to move again. Once the ring moves, it can come out of the land, and further solvent will go BEHIND the ring to clean that area out as well. None of the products you have been using are capable of doing that.
Well I guess we will see
My parents had a 84 Caravan that burned a quart every 50-200 miles. We just kept a case of cheap 10-30 in the back and dumped a quart in every fillup. Finally sold it with 160,000 when the 4th HG blew.
That's all I'd do here.
That's all I'd do here.
Yep I want to see if this mmo had any effect. I want to see the progress then if I'm not satisfied ill try it.
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I don't know why you argue about it. MMO soak works, Kreen soak works, and B12 soak works. I tried all of them and they worked.
The oil consumption would stop for several months after each (but unfortunately reappeared later).
All also removed carbon from CC (B12 and Kreen were the best).
I don't know why you argue about it. MMO soak works, Kreen soak works, and B12 soak works. I tried all of them and they worked.
The oil consumption would stop for several months after each (but unfortunately reappeared later).
All also removed carbon from CC (B12 and Kreen were the best).
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OVERK1LL,
I don't know why you argue about it. MMO soak works, Kreen soak works, and B12 soak works. I tried all of them and they worked.
The oil consumption would stop for several months after each (but unfortunately reappeared later).
All also removed carbon from CC (B12 and Kreen were the best).
I have no doubt that B12 or Kreen would work.... They are solvents. MMO isn't a solvent, so I have a hard time believing it would be anywhere near as effective, particularly in the task of removing varnish.
Having had numerous engines apart, including those with stuck rings, and getting those rings free of the piston, I know how much of a task it can be. Certainly not something a mild lube with some "detergents" in it is going to be able to perform effectively.
I am not trying to be abrasive or argumentative. I am simply pointing out that using a lube to perform the job of a solvent may not be the most time or cost effective method of dealing with this problem.
OVERK1LL,
I don't know why you argue about it. MMO soak works, Kreen soak works, and B12 soak works. I tried all of them and they worked.
The oil consumption would stop for several months after each (but unfortunately reappeared later).
All also removed carbon from CC (B12 and Kreen were the best).
I have no doubt that B12 or Kreen would work.... They are solvents. MMO isn't a solvent, so I have a hard time believing it would be anywhere near as effective, particularly in the task of removing varnish.
Having had numerous engines apart, including those with stuck rings, and getting those rings free of the piston, I know how much of a task it can be. Certainly not something a mild lube with some "detergents" in it is going to be able to perform effectively.
I am not trying to be abrasive or argumentative. I am simply pointing out that using a lube to perform the job of a solvent may not be the most time or cost effective method of dealing with this problem.
Well so far I have gone 100 miles and oil is still full. So far so good
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Well so far I have gone 100 miles and oil is still full. So far so good
Best of luck! And I hope that it DOES help. I had a buddy with one of these cars and it was phenomenal on gas and generally quite fun. His consumed too.
Well so far I have gone 100 miles and oil is still full. So far so good
Best of luck! And I hope that it DOES help. I had a buddy with one of these cars and it was phenomenal on gas and generally quite fun. His consumed too.
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