What aggrevates me is when I see a gun free zone, so in essence they are dis-arming me, if I want to attend the event. They provide no security from the event to the car. Ussually they provide lack-luster security in the event. My daughter is 14, she likes to run, I recently bought her pepper spray, I think this is a poor alternative. I would like her to carry a gun. I would feel better. I feel they force us into dangerous positions. Thier position of safety, actually causes us more vulerability.
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When I was growing up I was taught you do NOT take what doesn't belong to you and if you do and you're caught then you suffer the consequences.
They might have grabbed the chains and then fled? Why was their window unlocked? What difference does any of that make...the bottom line is the chain thieves should not have been attempting to take something that didn't belong to them. The person coming in through an unlocked window has absolutely ZERO right to do that. When caught you suffer the consequences. If you break into MY house, we're not going to debate why you're there....you'll get one warning to lie on the floor, after the first warning, it will be a given....you're going to be shot (and, horefully not live so I won't have to listen to your attorney making feeble excuses for you and why you did it)....everyone is responsible for their own actions and the prices you pay are pretty high sometimes.
That's the problem nowadays....some people have a soft spot for these low-lifes. I'm sorry they're poor or not privledged but that's their own doing and it's NOT MY PROBLEM....ANYBODY can make something of themselves if they try hard enough.
The kids that were shot accidently? Their parents should be charged with murder...that's what it amounts to. Yep, anit-gun folks have plenty of ammunition to justify taking away a constitutional right but as said at least one million times before, the people committing the crimes aren't going to hand over their guns. Too many guns on the street....blame the current administration...they're the ones causing record sales of firearms and ammunition right now. And, now people that have no experience with firearms and more money than sense are purchasing firearms and ammo to make another dollar....do you think they care who they sell to? "oh, Timmy has such nice parents...I'm sure he wouldn't harm a fly. Go ahead dear, sell him that black gun you bought and that box of ammunition that goes with it."
They might have grabbed the chains and then fled? Why was their window unlocked? What difference does any of that make...the bottom line is the chain thieves should not have been attempting to take something that didn't belong to them. The person coming in through an unlocked window has absolutely ZERO right to do that. When caught you suffer the consequences. If you break into MY house, we're not going to debate why you're there....you'll get one warning to lie on the floor, after the first warning, it will be a given....you're going to be shot (and, horefully not live so I won't have to listen to your attorney making feeble excuses for you and why you did it)....everyone is responsible for their own actions and the prices you pay are pretty high sometimes.
That's the problem nowadays....some people have a soft spot for these low-lifes. I'm sorry they're poor or not privledged but that's their own doing and it's NOT MY PROBLEM....ANYBODY can make something of themselves if they try hard enough.
The kids that were shot accidently? Their parents should be charged with murder...that's what it amounts to. Yep, anit-gun folks have plenty of ammunition to justify taking away a constitutional right but as said at least one million times before, the people committing the crimes aren't going to hand over their guns. Too many guns on the street....blame the current administration...they're the ones causing record sales of firearms and ammunition right now. And, now people that have no experience with firearms and more money than sense are purchasing firearms and ammo to make another dollar....do you think they care who they sell to? "oh, Timmy has such nice parents...I'm sure he wouldn't harm a fly. Go ahead dear, sell him that black gun you bought and that box of ammunition that goes with it."
First of all, it is stupid to be a jeweler without armed security or barred up counter on site. It is asking for trouble and you will sooner or later be robbed.
Second, the way the owner just shot into the robbers during a wrestle for the gun is just dangerous. If the robber got the gun from the owner he would have been dead (the robber doesn't come armed with his own weapon). The robber and owner could have misfire into the employee or other customers and get them killed.
This owner is clearly not trained well to use his firearm.
See, guns don't kill people, people with guns got themselves and other people killed with improper handling and dangerous acts.
Second, the way the owner just shot into the robbers during a wrestle for the gun is just dangerous. If the robber got the gun from the owner he would have been dead (the robber doesn't come armed with his own weapon). The robber and owner could have misfire into the employee or other customers and get them killed.
This owner is clearly not trained well to use his firearm.
See, guns don't kill people, people with guns got themselves and other people killed with improper handling and dangerous acts.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
What aggrevates me is when I see a gun free zone, so in essence they are dis-arming me, if I want to attend the event. They provide no security from the event to the car. Ussually they provide lack-luster security in the event. My daughter is 14, she likes to run, I recently bought her pepper spray, I think this is a poor alternative. I would like her to carry a gun. I would feel better. I feel they force us into dangerous positions. Thier position of safety, actually causes us more vulerability.
This is like a car on the pedestrian lane / on the curb argument.
There is a curb that's for pedestrians, and you are worried that someone else may drive on it and you'll get run over. So you decided that you want to drive on it with an SUV just in case you got hit. Well now there really is an SUV on it and other pedestrians end up being more dangerous.
Gun free zone protects you from criminals and psycho if they are implemented right with armed security on the outside, metal detector, etc. There are incidents of not just armed criminals but also emotionally charged people (esp teenagers who are not mentally mature to think about consequences, therefore are charged as minor for stupid acts like thieves and vandalism) firing their weapons and got people killed. We hear a lot of that in the news about gun shots in house parties (with alcohol and drugs) killing a guest, mostly high school and college students.
The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
What aggrevates me is when I see a gun free zone, so in essence they are dis-arming me, if I want to attend the event. They provide no security from the event to the car. Ussually they provide lack-luster security in the event. My daughter is 14, she likes to run, I recently bought her pepper spray, I think this is a poor alternative. I would like her to carry a gun. I would feel better. I feel they force us into dangerous positions. Thier position of safety, actually causes us more vulerability.
This is like a car on the pedestrian lane / on the curb argument.
There is a curb that's for pedestrians, and you are worried that someone else may drive on it and you'll get run over. So you decided that you want to drive on it with an SUV just in case you got hit. Well now there really is an SUV on it and other pedestrians end up being more dangerous.
Gun free zone protects you from criminals and psycho if they are implemented right with armed security on the outside, metal detector, etc. There are incidents of not just armed criminals but also emotionally charged people (esp teenagers who are not mentally mature to think about consequences, therefore are charged as minor for stupid acts like thieves and vandalism) firing their weapons and got people killed. We hear a lot of that in the news about gun shots in house parties (with alcohol and drugs) killing a guest, mostly high school and college students.
The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
Last night in neighbouring town, woman came home to find her husband bashed and tied to a chair.
Victim of a home invasion, bashed and tortured, and 10 guns stolen.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bre...e-1226572171473
Note that judges have decided in hearings that if you can retrieve your correctly stored guns in an event, then you had time to ring 000, run away, evolve snapping claws etc.
But if someone's bludgeoning you, you tend to hand over what they want.
Victim of a home invasion, bashed and tortured, and 10 guns stolen.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bre...e-1226572171473
Note that judges have decided in hearings that if you can retrieve your correctly stored guns in an event, then you had time to ring 000, run away, evolve snapping claws etc.
But if someone's bludgeoning you, you tend to hand over what they want.
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The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
So you are advocating a full blown police state to make us safe?
The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
So you are advocating a full blown police state to make us safe?
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Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
That's the problem nowadays....some people have a soft spot for these low-lifes. I'm sorry they're poor or not privledged but that's their own doing and it's NOT MY PROBLEM....ANYBODY can make something of themselves if they try hard enough.
I dont think anyone has a soft spot. Id gladly see all kinds of horrible things done to these savages when caught. The issue at hand, again, is what is the best way to get out of the situation at hand with minimal injury and no loss of life. A covered up face on a criminal trying to smash and grab chains isnt worried about witnesses, theyre worried about getting it and getting out. Absolutely Id say they are also worried about if the people there are armed, but that is not a reason to start a firefight.
That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else? What is even more laughable is the people who barely have anything of value to their name and are worried about getting robbed and shot over someone stealing their Franklin Mint commemerative plate.
Im all for throwing more than a heavy book at these people, but Im all for the best approach to self preservation, and Ive yet to see any real indication that getting into an armed scuffle is the absolute best approach in all situations, which is what many armchair heros advocate.
That's the problem nowadays....some people have a soft spot for these low-lifes. I'm sorry they're poor or not privledged but that's their own doing and it's NOT MY PROBLEM....ANYBODY can make something of themselves if they try hard enough.
I dont think anyone has a soft spot. Id gladly see all kinds of horrible things done to these savages when caught. The issue at hand, again, is what is the best way to get out of the situation at hand with minimal injury and no loss of life. A covered up face on a criminal trying to smash and grab chains isnt worried about witnesses, theyre worried about getting it and getting out. Absolutely Id say they are also worried about if the people there are armed, but that is not a reason to start a firefight.
That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else? What is even more laughable is the people who barely have anything of value to their name and are worried about getting robbed and shot over someone stealing their Franklin Mint commemerative plate.
Im all for throwing more than a heavy book at these people, but Im all for the best approach to self preservation, and Ive yet to see any real indication that getting into an armed scuffle is the absolute best approach in all situations, which is what many armchair heros advocate.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
..... Gun free zone protects you from criminals and psycho if they are implemented right with armed security on the outside, ....
The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
Wait, what? A "gun free" zone protected by guns? How is that gun free?
How about just getting rid of "gun free" zones, and let law abiding people go about their business as they would any other place?
..... Gun free zone protects you from criminals and psycho if they are implemented right with armed security on the outside, ....
The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
Wait, what? A "gun free" zone protected by guns? How is that gun free?
How about just getting rid of "gun free" zones, and let law abiding people go about their business as they would any other place?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
.... That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else?
Because a bank is an impersonal institution, and a home or small business is not - it's a personal attack on one's well being and security.
.... That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else?
Because a bank is an impersonal institution, and a home or small business is not - it's a personal attack on one's well being and security.
Once a person is in my home or was stealing from my business if I had one, then the line has been crossed and I'm not waiting to see what they'll do next....doesn't matter if they're after my Franklin Mint Collector plate or holding my employee by her hair with a knife to her throat....There isn't enough time to second guess what they're going to do and there isn't enough time left to debate the subject.
My wife, and subsequently me, have been in a self-defense situation and believe me it happens too quick to think clearly other than what you've practiced. I think I experienced the "tunnel vision" so many talk about in stressfull life or death situations....can't say for sure because the entire memory is just a blur. My most vivid recollection of that evening, as a matter of fact, the only thing that I can remember clearly, is a cartridge case hitting me in the forehead.
Throwing a heavy book at "people" like I came across doesn't do any good...I wish I were a better shot at the time. I am now.
My wife, and subsequently me, have been in a self-defense situation and believe me it happens too quick to think clearly other than what you've practiced. I think I experienced the "tunnel vision" so many talk about in stressfull life or death situations....can't say for sure because the entire memory is just a blur. My most vivid recollection of that evening, as a matter of fact, the only thing that I can remember clearly, is a cartridge case hitting me in the forehead.
Throwing a heavy book at "people" like I came across doesn't do any good...I wish I were a better shot at the time. I am now.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
So you are advocating a full blown police state to make us safe?
In a huge crowd, yes with police.
I'll feel much safer going to a football game with police presence instead of drunks with guns.
Gun free zone should be guns allowed only with armed security staff (hired, not volunteers, by the organizer or facility) or police presence.
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The problem is an improperly implemented gun free zone, not the gun free policy itself.
So you are advocating a full blown police state to make us safe?
In a huge crowd, yes with police.
I'll feel much safer going to a football game with police presence instead of drunks with guns.
Gun free zone should be guns allowed only with armed security staff (hired, not volunteers, by the organizer or facility) or police presence.
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
What is even more laughable is the people who barely have anything of value to their name and are worried about getting robbed and shot over someone stealing their Franklin Mint commemerative plate.
They are not trying to protect their valuables, they are there hoping to see actions. I remember hearing someone who said a survivalist who is extremely prepared would be sad if the disaster doesn't come, yet extremely happy if it does and he is all prepared for the "action".
What is even more laughable is the people who barely have anything of value to their name and are worried about getting robbed and shot over someone stealing their Franklin Mint commemerative plate.
They are not trying to protect their valuables, they are there hoping to see actions. I remember hearing someone who said a survivalist who is extremely prepared would be sad if the disaster doesn't come, yet extremely happy if it does and he is all prepared for the "action".
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
.... What is even more laughable is the people who barely have anything of value to their name and are worried about getting robbed and shot over someone stealing their Franklin Mint commemerative plate. ....
"People who have barely anything of value to their name" have the exact same right to be free of crime as people of wealth, so far as I am concerned.
I don't blame them for wanting to defend whatever meager property they may have. It may have been really hard for them to come by and even harder to replace.
.... What is even more laughable is the people who barely have anything of value to their name and are worried about getting robbed and shot over someone stealing their Franklin Mint commemerative plate. ....
"People who have barely anything of value to their name" have the exact same right to be free of crime as people of wealth, so far as I am concerned.
I don't blame them for wanting to defend whatever meager property they may have. It may have been really hard for them to come by and even harder to replace.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
.... That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else?
Because a bank is an impersonal institution, and a home or small business is not - it's a personal attack on one's well being and security.
It's all an impersonal situation. They're in a home to steal what is of value and get away to sell it or trade it for drugs or whatever else. It isn't the slightest bit different in intent.
Of course if one creates a standoff, it will surely escalate. Remember these are likely the same folks doing drive by shootings in their own neighborhoods. They have nothing to live for and steal because they are incompetent to do anything else.
But the sooner they are in and out the better. I'm not being an apologist to doubt that every last one is a cold blooded killer, just a realist that it is far messier and slower to have to deal with people then to not. Are they there to rob or to kill? If there to rob, then the bank numbers will be consistent. Because in and out is the name of the game.
And that's not to say that I'm not glad when these savages are shot, I certainly am. And it indeed is everyones' right to do so when their home is invaded. But the situation has to be right for that force to be the cleanest way through the situation. The end intent is your safety, not to play shoot 'em up.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
.... That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else?
Because a bank is an impersonal institution, and a home or small business is not - it's a personal attack on one's well being and security.
It's all an impersonal situation. They're in a home to steal what is of value and get away to sell it or trade it for drugs or whatever else. It isn't the slightest bit different in intent.
Of course if one creates a standoff, it will surely escalate. Remember these are likely the same folks doing drive by shootings in their own neighborhoods. They have nothing to live for and steal because they are incompetent to do anything else.
But the sooner they are in and out the better. I'm not being an apologist to doubt that every last one is a cold blooded killer, just a realist that it is far messier and slower to have to deal with people then to not. Are they there to rob or to kill? If there to rob, then the bank numbers will be consistent. Because in and out is the name of the game.
And that's not to say that I'm not glad when these savages are shot, I certainly am. And it indeed is everyones' right to do so when their home is invaded. But the situation has to be right for that force to be the cleanest way through the situation. The end intent is your safety, not to play shoot 'em up.
Originally Posted By: BISCUT
Common sense would tell me maybe its a good idea to end private sales of firearms; require an instantanious background ([censored], if we can determin a credit score in a matter of minuted we can sure run a background check within an hour); and not do away with gun shows (commerce is commerce), but you could always be issued a bill of sale for pick up at a FFL dealer at a later date. No hard done to anyone att he show.
I think making private sales illegal would have practically no effect. You'd get rid of things like ArmsList, but ultimately would not end private sales. You can't really end private sales of anything.
Common sense would tell me maybe its a good idea to end private sales of firearms; require an instantanious background ([censored], if we can determin a credit score in a matter of minuted we can sure run a background check within an hour); and not do away with gun shows (commerce is commerce), but you could always be issued a bill of sale for pick up at a FFL dealer at a later date. No hard done to anyone att he show.
I think making private sales illegal would have practically no effect. You'd get rid of things like ArmsList, but ultimately would not end private sales. You can't really end private sales of anything.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
.... That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else?
Because a bank is an impersonal institution, and a home or small business is not - it's a personal attack on one's well being and security.
It's all an impersonal situation. They're in a home to steal what is of value and get away to sell it or trade it for drugs or whatever else. It isn't the slightest bit different in intent.
Of course if one creates a standoff, it will surely escalate. Remember these are likely the same folks doing drive by shootings in their own neighborhoods. They have nothing to live for and steal because they are incompetent to do anything else.
But the sooner they are in and out the better. I'm not being an apologist to doubt that every last one is a cold blooded killer, just a realist that it is far messier and slower to have to deal with people then to not. Are they there to rob or to kill? If there to rob, then the bank numbers will be consistent. Because in and out is the name of the game.
And that's not to say that I'm not glad when these savages are shot, I certainly am. And it indeed is everyones' right to do so when their home is invaded. But the situation has to be right for that force to be the cleanest way through the situation. The end intent is your safety, not to play shoot 'em up.
The Wichita Massacre was a pretty personal home invasion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
.... That is why bank robberies have such low instances of violence and death, theyre there to get the cash and go. Why do you think it is so different anywhere else?
Because a bank is an impersonal institution, and a home or small business is not - it's a personal attack on one's well being and security.
It's all an impersonal situation. They're in a home to steal what is of value and get away to sell it or trade it for drugs or whatever else. It isn't the slightest bit different in intent.
Of course if one creates a standoff, it will surely escalate. Remember these are likely the same folks doing drive by shootings in their own neighborhoods. They have nothing to live for and steal because they are incompetent to do anything else.
But the sooner they are in and out the better. I'm not being an apologist to doubt that every last one is a cold blooded killer, just a realist that it is far messier and slower to have to deal with people then to not. Are they there to rob or to kill? If there to rob, then the bank numbers will be consistent. Because in and out is the name of the game.
And that's not to say that I'm not glad when these savages are shot, I certainly am. And it indeed is everyones' right to do so when their home is invaded. But the situation has to be right for that force to be the cleanest way through the situation. The end intent is your safety, not to play shoot 'em up.
The Wichita Massacre was a pretty personal home invasion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: BISCUT
Common sense would tell me maybe its a good idea to end private sales of firearms; require an instantanious background ([censored], if we can determin a credit score in a matter of minuted we can sure run a background check within an hour); and not do away with gun shows (commerce is commerce), but you could always be issued a bill of sale for pick up at a FFL dealer at a later date. No hard done to anyone att he show.
I think making private sales illegal would have practically no effect. You'd get rid of things like ArmsList, but ultimately would not end private sales. You can't really end private sales of anything.
Down here, private sales must be witnessed by a licenced gun dealer, or through a gun dealer, and the purchaser must have a valid "permit to acquire" a firearm ($75, and a minimum of two weeks cooling down period, even if you already have a licence).
Crims are still getting Uzis...which have never been available to the public in this country.
Crims are still home invading, and beating the homeowner until he opens the safe.
Originally Posted By: BISCUT
Common sense would tell me maybe its a good idea to end private sales of firearms; require an instantanious background ([censored], if we can determin a credit score in a matter of minuted we can sure run a background check within an hour); and not do away with gun shows (commerce is commerce), but you could always be issued a bill of sale for pick up at a FFL dealer at a later date. No hard done to anyone att he show.
I think making private sales illegal would have practically no effect. You'd get rid of things like ArmsList, but ultimately would not end private sales. You can't really end private sales of anything.
Down here, private sales must be witnessed by a licenced gun dealer, or through a gun dealer, and the purchaser must have a valid "permit to acquire" a firearm ($75, and a minimum of two weeks cooling down period, even if you already have a licence).
Crims are still getting Uzis...which have never been available to the public in this country.
Crims are still home invading, and beating the homeowner until he opens the safe.
Anyone that is on the anti gun side of the arguement still has to admit that the ONLY thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Period.
So if you disarm the honest people, what is the logical conclusion? We have a very strong gun culture in the US. Almost everyone I know has a gun, and most of them have multiple guns. I only know of one person personally that has been shot (neighbors grandma that was in downtown Richmond - a bad bad area - and she was mugged coming out of a restaurant).
You will never be able to gather up even half of the guns in the hands of private citizens here. I do not care what promises are made, or how much $$ they offer, there is zero chance that anyone I know will turn in their guns. So what does any new gun law really accomplish? First it makes responsible gun owners like myself a criminal because I will violate the law if they (as in New York) try to gather up my private property. Second it just makes it harder for law abiding folks to match the firepower of the criminal.
So if you disarm the honest people, what is the logical conclusion? We have a very strong gun culture in the US. Almost everyone I know has a gun, and most of them have multiple guns. I only know of one person personally that has been shot (neighbors grandma that was in downtown Richmond - a bad bad area - and she was mugged coming out of a restaurant).
You will never be able to gather up even half of the guns in the hands of private citizens here. I do not care what promises are made, or how much $$ they offer, there is zero chance that anyone I know will turn in their guns. So what does any new gun law really accomplish? First it makes responsible gun owners like myself a criminal because I will violate the law if they (as in New York) try to gather up my private property. Second it just makes it harder for law abiding folks to match the firepower of the criminal.
I doubt many people realize the cost associated with self-defense....I can attest to the fact that very few people can afford it, no matter what the outcome.
However, when the situation arises, you will not be aware of it until after it is all over....carrying a firearm does not give you the ability to ACT in self-defense, only the means to do it if/when the time comes. At that point, you will NOT be thinking about attorneys fees, incarceration, confiscation of your firearms and ammunition, relocation,and etc....your ONLY thought will be the family member that is bleeding and motionless on the ground and how to stop the person that committed the act....it's much tougher than you think. It's also a situation that will re-play in your mind a million times...I doubt anyone ever gets over it...I wonder if the thoughts and re-plays last a lifetime? It's easy to self-critique afterwards and even easier for others to critique your methods/actions/whatever but until they have the misfortune to be in a situation of self-defense, they will NOT know how they'll act or what they'll do.
As said before though.....protecting your Franklin Mint collectable plate or whatever you're protecting, do not think, even for one second, that the situation will end there and the thief will run off satisfied....they have already proven to me and the rest of the sane world that their thought process is flawed and they are capable of anything once confronted.....do NOT give them an opportunity to get the upper hand.
Oh yeah, a lot of crimes are committed by "kids" and their attorneys will use that to sway a jury into thinking that this "kid" was an altar boy, was a "good kid" and a lot of other [censored]....yet, this "kid" was the one that made the decision to cover his face and use a stolen (one HE stole) firearm when trying to get something that wasn't his to begin with. The old saying is true....if you play with fire, you'll eventually get burnt.
With all of that said, it's probably pretty obvious that I am pro-gun....the more people carrying, the better off society will be IMO. The courts are not the answer to criminals and I'm not saying guns are the answer either but people should be afforded the opportunity to protect themselves AND their property with whatever means is available....shooting, stabbing, beating with fists or a bat, whatever! Do NOT allow a criminal, no matter the age or the circumstances, to ever get the upperhand....not EVER!
However, when the situation arises, you will not be aware of it until after it is all over....carrying a firearm does not give you the ability to ACT in self-defense, only the means to do it if/when the time comes. At that point, you will NOT be thinking about attorneys fees, incarceration, confiscation of your firearms and ammunition, relocation,and etc....your ONLY thought will be the family member that is bleeding and motionless on the ground and how to stop the person that committed the act....it's much tougher than you think. It's also a situation that will re-play in your mind a million times...I doubt anyone ever gets over it...I wonder if the thoughts and re-plays last a lifetime? It's easy to self-critique afterwards and even easier for others to critique your methods/actions/whatever but until they have the misfortune to be in a situation of self-defense, they will NOT know how they'll act or what they'll do.
As said before though.....protecting your Franklin Mint collectable plate or whatever you're protecting, do not think, even for one second, that the situation will end there and the thief will run off satisfied....they have already proven to me and the rest of the sane world that their thought process is flawed and they are capable of anything once confronted.....do NOT give them an opportunity to get the upper hand.
Oh yeah, a lot of crimes are committed by "kids" and their attorneys will use that to sway a jury into thinking that this "kid" was an altar boy, was a "good kid" and a lot of other [censored]....yet, this "kid" was the one that made the decision to cover his face and use a stolen (one HE stole) firearm when trying to get something that wasn't his to begin with. The old saying is true....if you play with fire, you'll eventually get burnt.
With all of that said, it's probably pretty obvious that I am pro-gun....the more people carrying, the better off society will be IMO. The courts are not the answer to criminals and I'm not saying guns are the answer either but people should be afforded the opportunity to protect themselves AND their property with whatever means is available....shooting, stabbing, beating with fists or a bat, whatever! Do NOT allow a criminal, no matter the age or the circumstances, to ever get the upperhand....not EVER!
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