Running A Quart Over

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Are you sure the PCV system is functioning properly?




Yep, working fine. Did the check when I tuned it up at 100k and replaced the PCV value just in case. Was able to verify that the PCV system was pulling a pretty good vacuum even at idle.

Maybe it's just my 4.0L - but I can make it start and stop just by changing the level of oil in the engine. It's freaky, but it happens...

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My 99 4.0 also says full at 4.5 quarts. That's what I have been putting in, but will try 5 next time.
The rear main seals on these trucks are known to leak/weep. Mine started doing it last year. A couple of runs with ARX seems to have stopped it.

I'm running the huge Eao 26 on mine and there is no worries with obstacles as the suspension knuckles are lower. I do believe the 95 used a different suspension though.




Yeah, my '95 had the old twin-I beam, pretty sure that the '99 has something updated.

May also be a slightly different engine too - I know that the 4.0L used in '95 and '96 was changed for the '97 model year, but I can't find a good explanation of the changes on the web. It may be that the filter is higher up in the '99 than on the '95?

Did it originally use the FL-1A filter?

Interesting...

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Doing such experiments on your own car is one thing, but telling others to do it?





You're absolutely right; stemming from pure excitement, I may have crossed the line on that last post.
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I have a 2002 Lincoln with the 4.6 Intec and it calls for 6 qts, but ever since new everytime I change oil the 6 qts register low on the dipstick, I put the seventh qt in and it comes out perfect with the full mark. Ive been putting 7 qts in it and it has 62000 and no leaks so far so good. I think this is a common problem on Fords because our company trucks do the same things, 6 qts and they register about a 1/2 qt low. They are 4.2 V6s. Ive heard of other people reporting this too with thier Fords.
 
I got oil starvation in a long 270 degree cloverleaf with the oil 1/4 qt. low. It only has a 5 quart capacity, so there's less than 4 quarts if the oil level is a little low. That wasn't enough to keep the oil pickup submerged in a long .6 -.7G corner.
 
Oil starvation in long 270 degree cloverleafs was a problem with 2.5L Duratecs found in Contours and Mystiques. If the sump was low and you were charging the ramp at speed and high engine speed, the engine would pump most of the oil to the heads. (Ford added more drainage to the 3L Duratec heads, so this isn't a problem in later Duratecs.)

So if you were doing 50+ in 2nd gear at 6000 RPMs around the ramp, the remaining oil would move away from the pickup. Pretty soon you would spin a bearing.

Running a quart over would solve this issue.
 
Just to throw a spanner in works, proper oil level as descibed on the synlube 4 life site below. Interesting conclusions on the quickest way to get oil upto operating temperature. Not exactly what my OEM manual says as best practice,

Any practioners of this method? Please provide comments?

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What is PROPER Oil Level?
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Proper Oil Level is perhaps the most important but also the most often overlooked aspect of engine maintenance.

Many self proclaimed automotive experts and maintenance fanatics incorrectly promote the idea that more is better than less.

This is only partially true.

The maintenance of proper oil level is very important for minimizing of "Oil Consumption", minimizing the engine mechanical wear and avoiding serious mechanical problems.

Excess oil level causes excessive oil consumption and oil burning during combustion process. Oil burning causes fouled plugs, and greatly increases emission of exhaust pollutants. Too much oil in the exhaust can lead to plugging or damage of catalytic converters. Serious excess of oil in engine (two quarts or more) can cause engine fires for various reasons. Serious mechanical damage such as cracked piston rings can result from excess oil level.

Oil level therefore must never be above the FULL or MAX mark on you dipstick. If you accidentally add too much oil, drain the excess at once. This is one instance where more is not better !

Proper oil level is between the MIN (LOW or ADD) and MAX (FULL) marks on your dipstick.

The area or distance between MIN and MAX marks usually represents one quart or one liter in most cars (one (quart is slightly less than one liter, 1 quart = .946 liter;
or conversely one liter is 1.8 ounces more than one quart).

When adding oil never add full quart, if the oil level is at or above the MIN mark.
Add about 8 ounces or 16 ounces, wait few minutes check the oil level, and add more only if necessary.

The ideal oil level is just slightly above the MIN mark and well below the MAX mark, this will minimize oil consumption and minimize engine wear.

Oil level too low, that is one quart less than minimum will in some engines cause damage, but most engines can operate on as little as two quarts or less without any damage.

Oil capacity of 4 to 6 quarts is typical for most engines, although some small foreign cars use only 3 quarts, some large engines and trucks may use 8 quarts or more.

If you can not determine your engine's oil capacity from your Owner’s Manual, install three quarts after oil drain, start engine for few minutes, stop engine wait 5 minutes, check oil level and add about half quart, check oil level again and add more oil until you reach the MIN mark. Then note how many quarts are required for your car. Do not add more than about half quart at a time and allow time for oil to drain to the oil pan, to prevent over filling.

Oil filters despite their apparent size only hold 4 to 8 ounces of oil, but the really large ones used in commercial trucks and busses can hold up to a quart.

Once engine is started as much as two quarts may be in circulation, when engine is stopped it takes about five minutes for oil to drain back to the oil pan and if oil level is checked immediately after engine is shut down, low reading on a dipstick will result even if oil quantity is adequate. Therefore be sure that enough time has been allowed for oil to drain down to the pan.

Best habit is to check oil when engine is cold and before driving in the morning, this is not only the most accurate technique to verify the oil level, but also avoids any possible burns from contact with hot engine parts.

However you must be sure that the car is level when parked, otherwise inaccurate reading of oil level may result.

Contrary to popular belief it is not necessary to maintain the oil level at the FULL (MAX) mark.

Experience and on road performance tests show that oil consumption can be as much as four times higher if oil level is maintained at the FULL (MAX) mark, as compared to an operation when the oil level is maintained at the LOW (MIN or ADD) mark on the dipstick.

Another popular argument is that engine with more oil will run cooler, but this is not true.

However, it will take longer for the oil to reach its normal operating temperature.

It is an error to assume that with the use of more oil, that the oil temperature will be reduced.
If the amount of oil increases, the quantity of heat transferred to it also increases, but the operating temperature is not affected.

Further disadvantage of using more oil than the necessary minimum for safe engine operation is that the cold running period will be prolonged, this contributes to less efficiency, cold sludge formation and greater engine wear.

Therefore for minimum oil consumption, maximum engine efficiency and maximum engine life, maintain your oil level just slightly above the MIN (ADD or LOW) mark and well below the MAX (FULL) mark.
 
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Excess oil level causes excessive oil consumption and oil burning during combustion process. Oil burning causes fouled plugs, and greatly increases emission of exhaust pollutants. Too much oil in the exhaust can lead to plugging or damage of catalytic converters.




How is that going to happen? How is that extra quart of oil going to get all the way up into the combustion chambers?
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Therefore for minimum oil consumption, maximum engine efficiency and maximum engine life, maintain your oil level just slightly above the MIN (ADD or LOW) mark and well below the MAX (FULL) mark.




Slightly above the ADD mark? That's cutting it way to close in my opinion; that leaves you no safety margin at all for oil consumption. That's downright dangerous IMHO.
 
My '97 MB's manual says that the 4 cylinder is to take 6.2 quarts; the proper level is *between* the ADD and FULL marks; and overfilling can result in damage to engine seals.

Good enough for me.
 
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Therefore for minimum oil consumption, maximum engine efficiency and maximum engine life, maintain your oil level just slightly above the MIN (ADD or LOW) mark and well below the MAX (FULL) mark.




Eh... I'll pass on that one. Opinions are like ____, everyone has one. And this guy's opinion stinks.
 
There has to be a marging for a quart over or under because if you have your oil changed at a dealership they need the slack because they don't care one way or the other when the lot boy changes it. If he gets withing a quart or two that's a bull's eye.
 
Sad truth is that after 100+ years of making automobiles, manufacturers still havent made vehicles fool proof. Its like "oh you put more oil? too bad.. bill is on you".. In software world, that would be called a bug and heads will roll. I cant believe that QA/Engineering/Management are such goofballs in automotive sector that it is even possible. So what if average joe thinks more oil is a good thing and unwittingly screws up the engine? 30grand vehicle toast.. Its incredible.
 
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So what if average joe thinks more oil is a good thing and unwittingly screws up the engine? 30grand vehicle toast.. Its incredible.




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Well, this average joe still has the six quarts in and everything is doing peachy. I've decided that I'm sticking with the 6 quarts, but I'm just still trying to make up my mind about whether to stay with the PF47 or go with the PF52.
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engine still good I see. But why the trouble man. Just stick with the stated capacity or get a larger oil pan if you want to add more. Now if you're rich then continue with more of this type of experience.
 
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Now if you're rich then continue with more of this type of experience.





Actually, the 6th quart was a bottle of 5W-40 full synthetic Havoline that cost me only $3 from Big Lots.
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6,000+ miles on our SX4 w/4.7 quart capacity, running 6 quarts in the sump. So far, no problems... I used a Wix oil filter, and it took 5.2/5.3 quarts to bring the oil level to the top of the "full" line.
 
I changed the oil on a friend's '00 saturn SW2, supposed to take 4 qts, but the saturn 1.9 is known to go through oil quick, so her father in law would add oil. well, my 7qt drain pan overflowed! I guess a bit less than a qt went down the driveway. I asked her how often she would put oil in; it had become a regular habit for them to just 'top it off'! now there is a joke about saturns, to check the gas when you fill the oil, but this is ridiculous! it HAD to have close to 8qts in that engine! this was last year, all seems to be well since then.
I switched her to amsoil (how I get myself into these things...) so now I've designated myself to be her 'oil guy', and to cover myself, I check her oil every week or so. she is still making payments on a windstar that overheated and died, she doesn't even have the van anymore. so if I can take car maintenance off her worry list,and keep this little saturn running, all the better.
a saturn will sneak up on you; all will seem well, then BAM! oil is gone. another lady I know ran her SL2 down to 1 qt or so- still running now, few yrs later.
sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to contribute my experiences, that WAY too much oil seemed to have no ill effects on this particular engine. not that I'll ever do that; messes up the driveway
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