Roofing Problem

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We moved into a new house (built in 1997) about 3 years ago. The issue we were having was with leaks inside the chimney. The chimney is a brick facade with a wooden substructure for a gas insert with a long (20 ft) metal flue. Services for this type of thing are hard to find in my area, but eventually, we found a company that determined the chimney cover was the issue. It seems that the cover had a square hole for the round flue and was allowing water to drip into the chimney. I don't know how long it was like this, but the interior of the chimney, which is exposed in the attic, had lots of signs of water intrusion. The chimney company replaced the cover and cap. This will be important later.

After Helene, we had some trim blow off the front of our house. We called for an estimate from a roofer and, since the piece of trim was aluminum and small, they offered to replace it for free in return for a sign in the yard to advertise. This will be important later as well.

Fast forward a few years, and I noticed that boxes of Christmas decorations next to the chimney showed signs of water dripping on them. I waited until the next storm and went up to the attic to find the roofing connected to the side of the chimney leaking from top to bottom. The chimney sits at the side (not the bottom) of the rafter on the downward slope of our steep roof. I called a few roofers for estimates and finally arrived at using the same guys that did the trim replacement. They had a fair price that was in line with the other roofers (app $1500) and I really wanted to help them since they did the trim work.

They came out in January when the temps were about 30 degrees, removed the shingles around the chimney, replaced the ice/water barrier, replaced the flashing, and reshingled the roof. The new flashing has a diverter at the top to move water away from the side of the chimney. For the first few rainstorms, we saw that we had leaks again, but worse than before. The roofer thought that maybe the shingles had not adhered due to being below 40 degrees. They sent their guys out and found that the chimney flue cap, which sits on top of the flue and flush with the cover, was at an angle. This was not the case when the chimney work was done 3 years ago, so we believe that the winds, and maybe the trim piece during Helene, hit it. Roofer's crew found no water behind the flashing and said the flue cap was likely the cause of the leak. The roofers came into the house and noted the prior leaks in the chimney as proof (I was out of town). I called and spoke to the roofer and told him that we'd get the flue fixed first, but also that those leaks in the chimney have been there for years.

We had the chimney company come back out and fix the flue cap. A few weeks later, during a hard rain, we had two small leaks. Much better than before, but still leaks. We called the chimney service and the roofer. The roofer did not respond, but the chimney service came back out. The latest storm had been the day before, and when the chimney service climbed inside the chimney, they could see no leaks on the wooden substructure. He went up to the roof and validated that the cover was tight, and then applied sealant along the roof and the flashing. He was pretty perplexed about where the leak could be, but said he could not find a problem with the chimney.

We called the roofer back to let them know what the chimney service had said and performed, no response. A few weeks later, we had 2 pretty good rainstorms over a few hours with no leaks. All seemed good. Then, a few weeks later, we had a downpour for a few hours and found two small leaks in the roof next to the chimney. We sent the roofer a text with photos and details on the leak (where it occurred, the circumstances) and repeated that the chimney was dry. No response.

TLDR
We've had roofers and chimney services working to fix a leak that is either coming from the chimney and streaming into the rafter/decking or leaking from the roof. Chimney service has been out several times and signed off on the chimney issues are covered. The roofer has stopped responding to our calls, however, admitted early on that putting shingles down in 30-degree temps was not in line with the shingle requirements of temps over 40.

Do we have recourse with the roofer? Should we start again with another company? On principle, I want these guys to offer a refund, but they are not responding.
 
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We moved into a new house (built in 1997) about 3 years ago. The issue we were having was with leaks inside the chimney. The chimney is a brick facade with a wooden substructure for a gas insert with a long (20 ft) metal flue. Services for this type of thing are hard to find in my area, but eventually, we found a company that determined the chimney cover was the issue. It seems that the cover had a square hole for the round flue and was allowing water to drip into the chimney. I don't know how long it was like this, but the interior of the chimney, which is exposed in the attic, had lots of signs of water intrusion. The chimney company replaced the cover and cap. This will be important later.

After Helene, we had some trim blow off the front of our house. We called for an estimate from a roofer and, since the piece of trim was aluminum and small, they offered to replace it for free in return for a sign in the yard to advertise. This will be important later as well.

Fast forward a few years, and I noticed that boxes of Christmas decorations next to the chimney showed signs of water dripping on them. I waited until the next storm and went up to the attic to find the roofing connected to the side of the chimney leaking from top to bottom. The chimney sits at the side (not the bottom) of the rafter on the downward slope of our steep roof. I called a few roofers for estimates and finally arrived at using the same guys that did the trim replacement. They had a fair price that was in line with the other roofers and I really wanted to help them since they did the trim work.

They came out in January when the temps were about 30 degrees, removed the shingles around the chimney, replaced the ice/water barrier, replaced the flashing, and reshingled the roof. The new flashing has a diverter at the top to move water away from the side of the chimney. For the first few rainstorms, we saw that we had leaks again, but worse than before. The roofer thought that maybe the shingles had not adhered due to being below 40 degrees. They sent their guys out and found that the chimney flue cap, which sits on top of the flue and flush with the cover, was at an angle. This was not the case when the chimney work was done 3 years ago, so we believe that the winds, and maybe the trim piece during Helene, hit it. Roofer's crew found no water behind the flashing and said the flue cap was likely the cause of the leak. The roofers came into the house and noted the prior leaks in the chimney as proof (I was out of town). I called and spoke to the roofer and told him that we'd get the flue fixed first, but also that those leaks in the chimney have been there for years.

We had the chimney company come back out and fix the flue cap. A few weeks later, during a hard rain, we had two small leaks. Much better than before, but still leaks. We called the chimney service and the roofer. The roofer did not respond, but the chimney service came back out. The latest storm had been the day before, and when the chimney service climbed inside the chimney, they could see no leaks on the wooden substructure. He went up to the roof and validated that the cover was tight, and then applied sealant along the roof and the flashing. He was pretty perplexed about where the leak could be, but said he could not find a problem with the chimney.

We called the roofer back to let them know what the chimney service had said and performed, no response. A few weeks later, we had 2 pretty good rainstorms over a few hours with no leaks. All seemed good. Then, a few weeks later, we had a downpour for a few hours and found two small leaks in the roof next to the chimney. We sent the roofer a text with photos and details on the leak (where it occurred, the circumstances) and repeated that the chimney was dry. No response.

TLDR
We've had roofers and chimney services working to fix a leak that is either coming from the chimney and streaming into the rafter/decking or leaking from the roof. Chimney service has been out several times and signed off on the chimney issues are covered. The roofer has stopped responding to our calls, however, admitted early on that putting shingles down in 30-degree temps was not in line with the shingle requirements of temps over 40.

Do we have recourse with the roofer? Should we start again with another company? On principle, I want these guys to offer a refund, but they are not responding.
My parents dealt with this due to their having a flat roof. The original roofer retired and hired some really inept people. We finally found a guy but he shorted the amount of adhesive used and left it in freezing cold which ruined it. Then he walked off the job. My parents had to get their lawyer involved to threaten to sue. I'd definitely use social media to call them out and file a complaint with the BBB.
 
Well you moved into a house which is almost 30 years old. We have to believe it has the original roof still on it. You state it's been repaired several times by different people, but it has leaks. Roofs are not lifetime items. Most will come with a 30 year warranty, to the original buyer, which you are not. It looks like you are due to have your roof replaced at your cost. Leaks only get worse with time.,,,
 
Don't overlook the possibility that the bricks on the outside of the chimney are porous and rain, especially wind driven, can came right through the bricks and run down the inside. I had this happen to a chimney where I lived and it took me a long time to realize that this was what was causing the water intrusion.
 
Well you moved into a house which is almost 30 years old. We have to believe it has the original roof still on it. You state it's been repaired several times by different people, but it has leaks. Roofs are not lifetime items. Most will come with a 30 year warranty, to the original buyer, which you are not. It looks like you are due to have your roof replaced at your cost. Leaks only get worse with time.,,,
A bit more history. The original owner had the roof replaced in 2018. We called that roofer when we moved in and they told us the former owner had them out multiple times after 2018 due to leaks in that same area. We chalked it up to the improper chimney cover at the time.
 
Don't overlook the possibility that the bricks on the outside of the chimney are porous and rain, especially wind driven, can came right through the bricks and run down the inside. I had this happen to a chimney where I lived and it took me a long time to realize that this was what was causing the water intrusion.
What was the solution? It seems this is really hard to track down as everything is dry about 24 hours later. It's almost like someone has to be there when its raining to find the core issue.
 
Sounds like the roofer that replaced the whole roof in 2018 was not doing it properly.
That should be where the warranty comes from.
However, I am not sure if the PO have transfer that or the roof mfg and roofer have that stipulation in their contract in 2018.
 
Chimney Cricket. Pictures of everything would have been nice.
It's difficult to get a good picture. Here is one from the backyard.

Roof-Chimney.webp
 
Sounds like the roofer that replaced the whole roof in 2018 was not doing it properly.
That should be where the warranty comes from.
However, I am not sure if the PO have transfer that or the roof mfg and roofer have that stipulation in their contract in 2018.
We requested that information and the former owner did not help. Had it been a normal buying cycle (no pandemic) we likely would have walked or pushed back more. We reached out to the roofing company but they were also unwilling to help. I'm not sure we'd want to use them, they had "Affordable" as part of their name and I'm not confident they did the roof correctly.
 
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I can't see if it has a chimney cricket from that angle. And from what I can see I doubt it needs one.
No chimney cricket. The flashing on the top edge has a bit of a kick out to divert water from the side.
 
I had a similar predicament with my chimney over 20 years ago where it appeared to leak into the chimney flue during severe Noreaster storms and hurricanes. I assumed the rain was entering through the chimney outlet opening and installed a stainless steel cap to shield the entry path. However, it kept leaking during heavy rain and I thought it was coming in between the brick and roof sheathing, so I had a roofing company install new flashing and a cricket diverter. That also did not prevent the rain infiltration so I called a local chimney professional who performed a thorough visual inspection and concluded that the mortar on the top horizontal surface of the chimney had shrunken and developed small cracks where it contacted the chimney liner. He resealed the entire chimney crown surface with CrownCoat Brushable Sealant which is a thick elastomeric coating with a granular texture like cement. It hasn't leaked a drop since 2003.
 
Maybe consider making that top aluminum or stainless cap extend out farther. It looks like rain drips directly down on the expanded/wider bricks at the top.
 
Don't overlook the possibility that the bricks on the outside of the chimney are porous and rain, especially wind driven, can came right through the bricks and run down the inside. I had this happen to a chimney where I lived and it took me a long time to realize that this was what was causing the water intrusion.

What was the solution? It seems this is really hard to track down as everything is dry about 24 hours later. It's almost like someone has to be there when its raining to find the core issue.
Before assuming it is leaking through the porosity of the bricks, you need to eliminate the possibility that the rain is infiltrating from the top chimney cap and crown area. I was able to conclude that my leak was indeed coming from the top of the chimney crown area by wrapping a thick waterproof tarp over the top 24" of the chimney and securing it in place with a ratchet strap. I installed it 2 days prior to an approaching storm front and not one drop of rain entered the chimney.
 
Before assuming it is leaking through the porosity of the bricks, you need to eliminate the possibility that the rain is infiltrating from the top chimney cap and crown area. I was able to conclude that my leak was indeed coming from the top of the chimney crown area by wrapping a thick waterproof tarp over the top 24" of the chimney and securing it in place with a ratchet strap. I installed it 2 days prior to an approaching storm front and not one drop of rain entered the chimney.
I know that water does sit on the broad rectangular cover. It had a collar that goes around the flue and the cap sits on top. Days after a rain, if windy, I can see large amounts of water blow off the side.

I've considered your exact remedy to find root cause, unfortunately it's on a steep roof and the cap is about 50 ft above the ground which is not something I can tackle. Very few have been willing to work with us, I assume because there are easier jobs. At this point, hiring someone to seal the bricks is the easiest cheapest solution to rule it out.

We're only seeing water after heavy rain fall, which luckily is about 1/3 of the time. When it does leak it's a few tablespoons which tells me fixing the misaligned cap and adding sealant to the flashing was more of an issue than the replaced shingles. It's possible that tablespoon of water is from 25 year old bricks.
 
We requested that information and the former owner did not help. Had it been a normal buying cycle (no pandemic) we likely would have walked or pushed back more. We reached out to the roofing company but they were also unwilling to help. I'm not sure we'd want to use them, they had "Affordable" as part of their name and I'm not confident they did the roof correctly.
My parents have found alot of roofers that don't seem to have much skill or have alot of turnover. Add in a flat roof and it seems like even fewer can re-roof it correctly. One contractor looked at my dad and said "Yeah I think I can do it" which didn't bode well. In Colorado we seem to get alot of roofing companies that pop up after a hail storm then dissapear just as fast.
 
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