Replacing the furnace

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Hello All,

this is my first post here...

I have a 1984 RUUD home furnace that stopped firing up in March. It has served somewhat OK but obviously is an old and inefficient furnace.

I would like to replace it with an Amana 96% efficient furnace. We use propane so efficiency has become important throughout the last few years.

I am quite handy (installing a gas water heater, converting electric kitchen appliances with gas, etc.) so I plan to do the replacement myself.

What I wonder is whether I should replace the whole thing -- furnace, air handler and the complete AC, or just the furnace part.

What would you recommend?
 
I wouldn't do the install myself if I were you, citing that (a) you need proper training on that; (b) just like many cities, etc. need to apply for a permit before installation.

Esp. (b) where I've seen some handy DIYer installed their own furnace, and later on when something happened to their furnace (which lead to house fire and severe damage). Insurance company denied compensate due to the lack of permit and not installed by a certified (license) gas installer.

Q.
 
Originally Posted By: Quest
I wouldn't do the install myself if I were you, citing that (a) you need proper training on that; (b) just like many cities, etc. need to apply for a permit before installation.

Esp. (b) where I've seen some handy DIYer installed their own furnace, and later on when something happened to their furnace (which lead to house fire and severe damage). Insurance company denied compensate due to the lack of permit and not installed by a certified (license) gas installer.

Q.


Giant +1.
 
You want a licensed installer. Call around and get several quotes.

My HVAC guy prefers Goodman furnaces and AC's, because they seem to be a good value and people are happy with them. I think a high-quality installation is more important than choosing the very best brand.

Goodman & Amana are the same company.
 
I'd get the pro to do it. I recall that with high efficiency furnaces, the handling of the exhaust gets to be very important. Although they usually have a blower to force the exhaust out, the relatively cool exhaust has to be routed correctly to keep it from collecting where it shouldn't.

And as Simple_gifts pointed out, the liabilities can be a big deal if something goes wrong.
 
I like American Standard...

Off brand of Trane, mine has been flawless.

You need an installer, the furnace may need some changes to the burners due to propane and not natural gas...
 
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So I had someone non licensed do one for me in New York for one of my rental properties.

They just swapped an old Furnace for a new 80% Efficiency furnace. I got a RUUD furnace, the price of the furnace was $750, the labor was $350.

We went from about 125k BTU to 72k BTU, and increased efficiency.

Bill dropped in half for natural gas. We were much warmer.

So here is the deal, he did not replace the air return. It was too small for the new furnace. If I would put a pleated filter in the furnace, it would overheat then shut off.

Had to use a fiberglass filter and even with that the return was banging every time the furnace started up.

Also the newer furnace threw a lot of condensation into the 80 year old house's clay lined chimney. It was tearing up the bricks after about a year. Once it starts leaking CO into the attic or living area you have problems.

Options were a liner in the chimney, along with some mason work.. I was looking at that, and it was several thousand dollars, this is a 25 foot high building.

I did not end up doing that.

So, I ended up dumping the house and moving to Texas.

Right before I left the furnace needed a part, the manufacturer would not warranty because the installer was not on their approved contractor list.

I paid about $1100 installed for the new furnace, and got an 1100 dollar job. Not a good job, but working for a while.

If you want to eliminate the chimney, then go with a high efficiency furnace that vents through plastic PVC pipe.

If your chimney is still good, and is properly lined then the 80 percent standard efficiency furnace will be much better than your 30 year old model, which is probably operating at half of its rated efficiency.

Get on the HVAC Talk forum and find a contractor to do it right. They will run a calculation to size the air ductwork to the furnace, and select the proper amount of BTU's for your house.

It is a shame you are on propane, that is quite a bit of money more than natural gas. Also most natural gas companies offer cash rebates for installing energy efficient appliances, I don't think propane companies do that.

I now live in Texas, and when I checked out the gas furnace I have here installed by the builder, the return air is twice as large as what I had in New York, and the furnace is half the BTU's.

I am still a fan of the fiberglass filters, they let the air flow through the furnace better, and the furnace works less hard to suck air.

So, yeah you could probably do it by yourself. The installer did mine and it was very straightforward. But you will want those calculations done, all codes followed, permits pulled if necessary, also safety of your family is most important.

I would look on HVAC Talk and angies list and talk to some contractors.
 
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Originally Posted By: howie2092
You want a licensed installer. Call around and get several quotes.

My HVAC guy prefers Goodman furnaces and AC's, because they seem to be a good value and people are happy with them. I think a high-quality installation is more important than choosing the very best brand.

Goodman & Amana are the same company.


my son is a master HVAC installer and he likes Goodman furnaces also.
Heres some tough love for you.
My son says you are nuts to do it yourself.
the quality of the install is more important then the brand of furnace you buy.
Your safety,health and life may be compromised if you make a mistake.
And you won't know you made a mistake until its too late.
HIRE A PRO.
 
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The heat exchanger let go in ours last yr. I had it replaced. It is a brand new version of an oil fired hot air furnace. My cellar wasnt a good environment for an oil furnace. But I fixed that and it is dry as a bone now
 
I replaced my furnace when I lived in ILL and it was a fairly easy job. Since you live in IL, I'd probably forget changing the AC unit but, install a new air handler along with the furnace. Ed
 
Good input, everyone.

Good points about the homeowners insurance. I will check to see what is involved in their due diligence during fire investigations. It would help to know what documents to keep if a licensed person is hired to do the job.

The house is in rural Indiana so no permits or anything like that are needed.

The job seems easy though labor intensive. Not much intellectual input is is needed just knowing what to do and attention to detail.

I simply do not trust hired hands to do work that I can do. They always do 90% good job and leave some details undone. I have never had a hired company to be able to finish the job properly. So a post work inspection and a knock down list are always part of any job. Some of the issues may not reveal themselves long after they have finished the job, though.
 
Originally Posted By: Eddie
I replaced my furnace when I lived in ILL and it was a fairly easy job. Since you live in IL, I'd probably forget changing the AC unit but, install a new air handler along with the furnace. Ed


Eddie, What resources did you use prior to the job? Any online guides that would be helpful to pre-empt situations that can be avoided.
 
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