Regarding "flushable" products

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Some members here have had some problems with sanitary products described as flushable. During my career in plumbing, I have run into many "flushable" products, and have developed some strong opinions on them. To start with, they are indeed flushable, in the sense that they will go through a toilet that's in good repair, and one that hasn't collected a lot of rough deposits. However, that is far from being the whole story.

Toilets can collect deposits over years of use. This seems be be much more common if the toilet isn't flushed every time it's used, and the uric acid can combine with hard water elements such as calcium and magnesium. These deposits can be very hard and very difficult to remove. They can be removed chemically, but the only chemicals I've seen work effectively are pretty dangerous to handle. These deposits make the passages of the toilet smaller, and also plug up the rim jets and siphon jet so that the water doesn't flow into the bowl quickly enough to give a strong flush.

If the flushable product makes it through the toilet, then there is the drainage system to consider. As has been mentioned, these products don't dissolve the way that TP will dissolve. In fact, some of them don't dissolve at all. If your drainage system is constructed correctly, and not afflicted with heavy deposits or roots, usually things work OK. If, however, there are areas of the pipe that do not have sufficient "fall" or downward grade, these items may settle out and cause trouble, particularly in cast iron pipe. I have found that once the flow of water stops, fibrous materials tend to stick to cast iron, or get caught in rough deposits. Now the trouble begins, as the flow in this area will slow, allowing more stuff to settle out, which increases the restriction, and so on until you have a stoppage. Older cast iron systems which have proper fall will often handle these items. Not always.

The ideal situation is to have a new-ish toilet that works well, and properly installed plastic waste/sewer pipe. Out here in California, ABS pipe is the most common, although we're seeing more PVC recently. My house was built circa 1970, and has a 3" ABS sewer. In the 21+ years I've lived here, I haven't had a sewer stoppage. Anything that will go through the toilet will make it to the city sewer, so "flushables" aren't a problem.
 
Thank you Stelth, great write up.

Now if you could convince everyone in Latin America that toilet paper CAN be flushed, you would make me very happy indeed.

I have lived in Mexico for 5 years and have been visiting for almost 11 years and I have ALWAYS flushed my used papers, contrary to the dire predictions that everyone is willing to bestow me with every time the subject is brought up.
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327
Thank you Stelth, great write up.

Now if you could convince everyone in Latin America that toilet paper CAN be flushed, you would make me very happy indeed.

I have lived in Mexico for 5 years and have been visiting for almost 11 years and I have ALWAYS flushed my used papers, contrary to the dire predictions that everyone is willing to bestow me with every time the subject is brought up.

I've encountered the same thing while in Puerto Rico. Didn't really understand it, but I went along with it!
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327
Thank you Stelth, great write up.

Now if you could convince everyone in Latin America that toilet paper CAN be flushed, you would make me very happy indeed.

I have lived in Mexico for 5 years and have been visiting for almost 11 years and I have ALWAYS flushed my used papers, contrary to the dire predictions that everyone is willing to bestow me with every time the subject is brought up.


depends on if you are septic or city sewer,
you hafta use special magic paper for septic :-)
 
Thanks, that's a useful pearl of wisdom from someone in the know.

To add to the conversation we moved into a house with three toilets that would clog more or less daily. It indeed was that the hard water had left deposits on the rim jets, so it took about 30 seconds or more for the tank to empty to the bowl resulting in a weak flush. I read about the muriatic acid etch on the internet, and threw about a half gallon in one (with saran wrap over the bowl, like the old practical joke, to keep fumes in the bowl) and it didn't really help.

In the end we bought two new toilets, 1.2 gpf and have been in over a year with zero clogs, and a water softener. Last "old" toilet isn't really used.

As to the flushable wipes, I only let my kids use one (as far as I know) the rest is all TP.
 
Recently, I opted for 1.6gal flush type (MaP1000) upgrades to 2 of my 3 toilets (all are on the old construction code of 3.1gal type..Eljer) and my wifey's initial concern was the ability to flush those sanitary stuff...turns out that the 2 upgraded ones (now on 6L/1.3gal) works out extremely well, far better in performance and consistency than that of our 3.1gal/12L flush types.

While I'm a conservationist by heart, I'm not seeing any good, consistent performance out of some of the HET toilets sold in major stores nowadays: they either shy on rimwash, or having mediocre MaP ratings, or a combination of both (and yet still charges magnitudes more than those 1.6gal ones).

My 2c's worth on the said subject.

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Long time ago I didn't like the lime buildup in my toilet. I brought some spent acid from work (mainly HCl) and let that sit in the toilet for a bit. After the lime foamed up, the toilet was clean as can be. It may be time to revisit this.
 
In my opinion, having successfully lived with septic systems most of my life, there are just 4 things that should ever be flushed down a toilet. Water, toilet tissue, #1 and #2.

If you need additional cleaning that toilet tissue can't handle, a toilet mounted bidet works great (we have them on all 4 of our toilets in the house).
 
Mr. Rivit brings up a good point. I'm a city plumber, and when I wrote that first post, I wasn't thinking of septic systems. The various "flushable" products are much tougher than TP, and I wouldn't want them in my leach field (if I had one).
 
Our kids are out of the diaper phase; we kept the diaper wipes around at first because, well, even if potty trained you still have to do wiping. Now well past that, the wipes stick around, cause they work well. Kids are trained to put them into the trashcan though. In some ways I'm starting to think I like those wipes; less paper into the septic.

Still stuck having it pumped every 2 though.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
If you need additional cleaning that toilet tissue can't handle, a toilet mounted bidet works great (we have them on all 4 of our toilets in the house).


I looked at some of these online after reading your post, Pop. Could I ask you to link to the ones you are using? I may well be interested in adding one to my MB. I have been using flushable wipes for about ten years now without problem (on city sewers with PVC drain pipes), but I like to reduce waste when I can. (No pun intended.)

BTW, I installed what I call "The Flushinator" in 2002. It's a water saving toilet with the Sloan Flushmate system. It's a powerful, but loud, flush. Nothing clogs it.
 
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