Raybestos brake pads failed

[930.engineering]

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That's not how it works. Developement starts with a more balanced mechanical
and hydraulic distribution today, much more balanced, closer to 50:50 (or say 60:40
to 70:30 to stay real) compared to yesterdays (maybe 80:20 to 90:10).
Now, while the increased braking on rear helps to prevent excessive rust on the rear
rotors, this sadly also leads to early and more often locking/ABS interventions on rear.
Not desirable. It affects stability and irritating for the driver.
Then the "ABS programming" comes into play, because every modern ABS comes with
an EBD (electronic brake distribution) feature built in. With the slightest hint of "locking"
on rear the rear channels (in the ABS/ESP module) close to to inhibit real ABS interventions.
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[supton]

Pic #3 shows the 2 pads fallen apart into 4 pieces.

Ah, sorry, missed that--when I looked the first time I thought i had seen pad material on the other side.

That's a bummer, been a while but I don't recall having problems like this. But I try to inspect my brake pads often for delamination, as I've had them do that (on a 6 year old pad however). Zero fun when that happens.

 

[JTK]

Interesting. I live in one of rustiest of rust belt areas and have never had a problem with Raybestos E3's and I've probably used these pad/rotor kits 4-5x.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Interesting. I live in one of rustiest of rust belt areas and have never had a problem with Raybestos E3's and I've probably used these pad/rotor kits 4-5x.

Hello fellow buffalo hostage.
Probably inconsistent quality which is in itself an indicator of quality.

 

[thescreensavers]

I have had my recent shares of issues with Raybestos products. Their tech support people do not respond and I won't buy their products anymore.

Ever since FirstBrands bought them and Centric/Stoptech it's been a downhill spiral.

 

[cos]

I've been using Raybestos' premium pads for 20 yrs and they've been great. I currently have Element 3 pads in my SRX - been four yrs and 20,000 miles. I have to say they've been excellent and I wouldn't hesitate to get them again. Of course I install them correctly (clean, lube and bleed).

 

[buck91]

The promised pix:

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Those look as bad as my Power stops after a couple seasons.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Those look as bad as my Power stops after a couple seasons.

Rust wise? How did other brands perform?

 

[buck91]

Yeah, rust wise. I'd say they are on-par with most other brands. Running akebono on the new truck so it'll be interesting to see how they hold up.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Im running akebono too, should be interesting to see.

 

[Donald]

Could they have overheated?

 

[troymcclure]

Time to bust out the obligatory Anabond 230 video.

In all of their stress testing, the friction material fractured before the adhesive bond broke. Makes me wonder if the adhesive wasn’t applied or cured properly.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Time to bust out the obligatory Anabond 230 video.

In all of their stress testing, the friction material fractured before the adhesive bond broke. Makes me wonder if the adhesive wasn’t applied or cured properly.

Now do that test again and again and again and again hundreds of times a day for a couple of years.

 

[KrisZ]

Now do that test again and again and again and again hundreds of times a day for a couple of years.

And don't forget to add salt to this testing and then it would be somewhat representative of real world conditions.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

And don't forget to add salt to this testing and then it would be somewhat representative of real world conditions.

Get it hot, get it really hot splash some water on it.
Now mud.
Now mud salt and water

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

This gap in the test kinda reminds me of how something can withstand a hit by sledgehammer but will get eaten alive by an air hammers repetitive impacts.

 

[We're Metals]

Probably just rustjacking between the backing plate and pad material. I agree, bad material/ assembly.

 

[D1dad]

My eht experiment ended early and only looked half that bad. The worst shims I’ve ever used as far as maintaining appearance. I just scored some raybestos street rotors, which I hope aren’t just the element junk reboxed.

 

[dubber09]

Anyway, I too used those eht3 pads with great success till about 2-3 years ago, so this bad quality is a new thing for them.
Bosch QC have been good to me lately.

 

[nthach]

I was going to throw a set onto an old Chevy truck.

The local independent parts houses aren’t selling Raybestos anymore. Only Wagner, Bosch in a private label(Federated or Auto Value) box or Bendix, a brand of MAT Holdings and similar as Duralast Gold, BrakeBest Select Premium or ImportDirect and Carquest Blue/Platinum pads.