Quality of older cars

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My boss has a fully loaded (4.6L/4R70W) '96 Thunderbird, champagne exterior with beige leather interior. It's only got 32,000 miles on it and is literally babied, garage kept and everything. It looks gorgeous to say the very least and it felt like I went back to the day it rolled off the line. Not one scratch, not one dent and the headlights are not even hazed. Heck there were even no swirls in the paint.

We had a short conversation, then went for a spin. Back in the day, we had a '95 Grand Marquis in the family and this brought back memories - nice and thick carpeting, thick leather seats and a pillow soft ride to match.

After the ride, I mentally compared it to all the Panthers and other cars we had in the family. Option and trim wise, the closest matching one was my '03 Grand Marquis LS Premium. It was a 2002 production model (which meant it wasn't decontented) and loaded all the way (LS Ultimate with digital dashboard wasn't available in this market at the time), complete with the Handling Package. Comparing it to the Thunderbird, everything in the Marquis feels low grade - the leather seats weren't as thick, the carpets was very thin, headliner felt like cardboard and the interior plastics were thinner and flimsy. My '01 Grand Marquis is a bit better, but not nearly as good as this '96 Thunderbird.

With all the useless options and such we have these days, and these "driver aids" people depend on so much - case in point, some lady I saw the other day depending on parking sensors to park her Yukon XL Denali. She could barely see over the steering wheel and she reversed right onto the curb - it seems the actual quality has gone down. Maybe not for all manufacturers, but at least for Ford I feel it has.

Nobody cares about how thick the carpeting is, or how thick and cushiony the seats are these days. It's all about options and features these days. Some of it, like ABS, I can understand because it helps. But lane change warnings, parking sensors, rearview cameras...it's almost as if auto manufacturers are catering to cover up people's lack of driving skills. How many people can even drive stick these days?

Anyhow, just an observation.
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I'd agree...

I'm sure I'll get laughs...but the seats in my old 93 Cavalier wagon were quite comfy, and I had no issues making long trips in them...

Fast forward to my 06 Cobalt, and the seats are thin. Wanted to climb out of the car like every 50 miles on our way to columbus last month. I mean the car does more, but just not in the comfort that I remember....
 
seats can be...weird from car to car.. the car you think would have [censored] seats, can be much more comfortable, than in a "better" car.

My last 2 Cars, I've driven them both twice to dallas and back, (1100 mi).
y2k Hyundai Sonata - owned it from 16k mi(08/2001) - 105k mi(01/2010)
My butt/ and the "small" of my back would go numb after 3 hrs or so.

2k5 Dodge Neon - bought w/ 54k mi(02/10)- no plans to replace yet.
no problems/pain/numbness driving the 1100 mi straight through(~20hrs)

Hyundai felt over all to be better built,& had more safety features,& MUCH better crash test scores.

also dave... how long ago were you driving that cav? how many fewer miles were on YOU back then...
 
You touched on most of my peeves: lousy visibility, bad seats, something from the dryer lint-trap glued to the floor pan for carpeting. Can we touch on throttle-by-wire that "doesn't go" or, just as bad, is inconsistent, making cars unrealistically peppy in the top 20% of pedal travel?
 
I agree to a certain point! There is always a budget to work with when designing a vehcile. Some parts of the vehicle are even better than in the past and others suck such as carpeting, seat fabric and interior materials, especially in lower end cars(not all) and no sound insulation!

Yes, all of the driver aids have removed driver skill but too, there are way too many blind spots on vehicles today to contend with so, these driver aids may be necessary.

And feature laiden vehicles have given drivers more reason to take their eyes off of the road ahead, while other features have been installed to correct the absent mindedness of those same drivers who have taken their eyes off of the road.

Off Topic:
And the laws are still not harsh enough on Texting!
 
I agree. The other day someone backed up over a child in a parking lot with her SUV because she couldnt see the kid...of course the child shouldnt of been wandering but if you cant drive an SUV or large vehicle drive something smaller or dont drive at all. There are benefits and drawbacks of todays cars compared to the older ones. I like simple cars, heck i have no ac no power doors or power windows on my current car. I want a reliable low cost car to mainrain, could care less about a million gadgets that can break and cost a fortune to fix.
 
While we might have fond memories of past cars we owned they were not as safe, polluted more and used more gas. My Dad had a 60 Chevy wagon, no seat belts nor windshield washer. He installed both.

My 1969 Mach 1 Mustang was a great car but it had a "drop in" gas tank that upon impact would throw gas all over the inside of the car and occupants.

There is not enough gas to go around and we really needed to get to better MPG. The US has 3M people out of the worlds 8B people and we use something like half the resources (its a high percentage, may not be half).

Air bags and seat belts have dramatically reduced injuries when people are wearing them.
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
The US has 3M people out of the worlds 8B people...


Wow! Most of our population disappeared overnight?
 
I agree to some extent as well. I'd rather see thicker carpeting, nicely padded seats, upholstery and dashboards instead of huge LCD screens (the bigger the better is the new trend), capacitive buttons or no buttons at all for for some functions because it's all part of the LCD screen.

On the other hand things like power windows, seats, mirrors have gotten to be very reliable these days same goes for heated seats and mirrors. Bluetooth is also great, even just for playing music through car's stereo.
 
I drive a car without seatbelts, side-impact beams, safety glass, solid steel column, lead paint, and single system drum brakes with asbestos shoes.
Guess what? I'm still alive.
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To me, nothing rides or sits as well as the big land barges do.
 
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
I agree. The other day someone backed up over a child in a parking lot with her SUV because she couldnt see the kid...


The flipside is because some doctor's group decided kids need to be in car seats or boosters until they're 4-foot-9, minivans and SUVs are about all you can haul them in as you need standing room to set the things up and buckle them in. We get by, barely, with two kids by carefully selecting "slim" car seats for the saturns and begrudgingly use a HHR crossover for a family car. This is a huge reason the family sedan as an idea is largely dead.

The law of unintended consequences though transfers the potential for injury outside the SUV. Not only by running over more stuff but by blocking everyone else's view. On the highway I can't see two vehicles in front, in a parking lot I can't see around when backing out.
 
The St Louis metro has 3 million when you consider both the IL and MO suburbs.

Originally Posted By: Donald
While we might have fond memories of past cars we owned they were not as safe, polluted more and used more gas. My Dad had a 60 Chevy wagon, no seat belts nor windshield washer. He installed both.

My 1969 Mach 1 Mustang was a great car but it had a "drop in" gas tank that upon impact would throw gas all over the inside of the car and occupants.

There is not enough gas to go around and we really needed to get to better MPG. The US has 3M people out of the worlds 8B people and we use something like half the resources (its a high percentage, may not be half).

Air bags and seat belts have dramatically reduced injuries when people are wearing them.
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
While we might have fond memories of past cars we owned they were not as safe, polluted more and used more gas. My Dad had a 60 Chevy wagon, no seat belts nor windshield washer. He installed both.

My 1969 Mach 1 Mustang was a great car but it had a "drop in" gas tank that upon impact would throw gas all over the inside of the car and occupants.

There is not enough gas to go around and we really needed to get to better MPG. The US has 3M people out of the worlds 8B people and we use something like half the resources (its a high percentage, may not be half).

Air bags and seat belts have dramatically reduced injuries when people are wearing them.
Not enough REFINING capacity to go around thanks to "environmental issues" here in the US. We are DROWNING in crude.
 
It's not a Panther, but a Fox...

I still have a fully loaded 1986 Mercury Cougar LS with a 5.0 engine, high-back leather bucket seats (both are power), full length console, and factory JBL sound system with a sub...

The only option that it doesn't have is a moonroof. This car is a Cougar that thought it was a Mark VII.

It was mildly customized by the dealer, with a cloth 1/4 top, gold plated emblems, and gold cross-lace wheels. The car is black cherry in color, with a tan interior.

It still has that new leather smell on the inside.
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It is a true joy to drive. The biggest downfall is the rear end, which is something obscene like a 2.83. It just kills the 5.0 engine, but it allows 20+ mpg on the highway.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
...with a cloth 1/4 top, gold plated emblems, and gold cross-lace wheels....


Pimps and drug dealers would kill for one of those...
 
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
With all the useless options and such we have these days, and these "driver aids" people depend on so much - case in point, some lady I saw the other day depending on parking sensors to park her Yukon XL Denali. She could barely see over the steering wheel and she reversed right onto the curb -


Obligatory woman driver comment.
 
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