QS Euro VS Napa Euro 5w-40 Ferrari F430

[Newuser]

Here comes something different. I’ve had a Ferrari F430 for years, and have used various 5w-40 oils. It gets changed every 4,000-5,500 miles. Unlike most, I actually drive it a bunch. I’ll hit 70k miles in the coming weeks, and plan to start driving it even more.

I don’t use it on a race track, but it does see spirited canyon style driving from time to time.

Looking to stock up on oil, and QS Euro 5w-40 is $22 a gallon at Wallyworld, and Napa Euro 5w-40 is currently $4.79 per quart. I’ve reached the point in life where I feel super pricey boutique oils are a rip off.

Between these two, which is the better oil?

 

[Brian123]

QS Euro

 

[PontiacHO]

“I’ve had a Ferrari F430 for years”
“I’ve reached the point in life where I feel super pricey boutique oils are a rip off.”

dichotomy

 

[Newuser]

“I’ve had a Ferrari F430 for years”
“I’ve reached the point in life where I feel super pricey boutique oils are a rip off.”

dichotomy

Ha, it’s been in my ownership for nearly a decade and hasn’t needed a single thing aside from normal services. I’ve put 52k miles on it.

Can’t say that for much cheaper vehicles I’ve had.

 

[pbm]

I'd buy the QS Euro because that's the everyday price rather than waiting for a 'sale price' ...but the NAPA is probably a Valvoline product and very good as well.

What year is your Ferrari?

 

[Newuser]

I'd buy the QS Euro because that's the everyday price rather than waiting for a 'sale price' ...but the NAPA is probably a Valvoline product and very good as well.

What year is your Ferrari?

2007

 

[Astro14]

While I disagree with your supposition about other oils, because it contains a few veiled insults, why those two?

Why not, for example, consider the Mobil 1 0W40?

Inexpensive, widely available, meets the most rigorous specifications.

$24.97 for a 5 quart jug.

 

[Dr_Dr3i]

I can't believe I'm the first to point out the obvious: we need pics of the beauty.

With that out of the way, describe what "spirited driving" means to you in terms of RPM. If you're changing the oil every 5K and the engine doesn't see sustained high RPM resulting in high oil temps, then you could pretty much use whatever 5w40 synthetic.

If you're worried about high oil temps and shearing then you might want to consider the oil with the higher HTHS value.

 

[Newuser]

While I disagree with your supposition about other oils, because it contains a few veiled insults, why those two?

Why not, for example, consider the Mobil 1 0W40?

Inexpensive, widely available, meets the most rigorous specifications.

$24.97 for a 5 quart jug.

In college I spun a bearing on my daily driver, which had like 40k miles using Mobil 1. I doubt it was the oils fault, but that has always kept me away from Mobil 1 for any of my fun cars.

 

[Newuser]

I can't believe I'm the first to point out the obvious: we need pics of the beauty.

With that out of the way, describe what "spirited driving" means to you in terms of RPM. If you're changing the oil every 5K and the engine doesn't see sustained high RPM resulting in high oil temps, then you could pretty much use whatever 5w40 synthetic.

If you're worried about high oil temps and shearing then you might want to consider the oil with the higher HTHS value.

The car doesn’t really make any power at lower RPM. You need to be higher up in the RPM range to enjoy it.

I’ve used liqui moly, motul, amsoil, and for awhile was using a shell hilux but ran out of stock. I’ve heard people say the QS euro is the same as that shell.

 

[skyactiv]

In college I spun a bearing on my daily driver, which had like 40k miles using Mobil 1. I doubt it was the oils fault, but that has always kept me away from Mobil 1 for any of my fun cars.

Was it a WRX?

 

[Newuser]

Was it a WRX?

Haha yes. Bone stock, and actually not abused if you can believe me.

 

[Astro14]

In college I spun a bearing on my daily driver, which had like 40k miles using Mobil 1. I doubt it was the oils fault, but that has always kept me away from Mobil 1 for any of my fun cars.

So, you’re avoiding a brand, even though the different products within that brand vary quite widely?

This, coupled with your first post, is an emotional set of criteria.

Not based on performance or specification.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

... for awhile was using a shell hilux but ran out of stock. I’ve heard people say the QS euro is the same as that shell....

That would be Pennzoil Euro 5w40. Pennzoil Euro 5w40 uses GTL base stock whereas the QS Euro most likely does not.

 

[f355spider]

Here comes something different. I’ve had a Ferrari F430 for years, and have used various 5w-40 oils. It gets changed every 4,000-5,500 miles. Unlike most, I actually drive it a bunch. I’ll hit 70k miles in the coming weeks, and plan to start driving it even more.

I don’t use it on a race track, but it does see spirited canyon style driving from time to time.

Looking to stock up on oil, and QS Euro 5w-40 is $22 a gallon at Wallyworld, and Napa Euro 5w-40 is currently $4.79 per quart. I’ve reached the point in life where I feel super pricey boutique oils are a rip off.

Between these two, which is the better oil?

Hey brother! I am sure the QS will work just fine. It has an appropriately high HTHS, so you will be well protected.

 

[f355spider]

That would be Pennzoil Euro 5w40. Pennzoil Euro 5w40 uses GTL base stock whereas the QS Euro most likely does not.

The Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 used to be Ferrari approved and even had labeling attesting to that (with a horsey too), but Ferrari changed their recommendation to Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5w-40 a few years ago, which appears to only be available in drums sold to the Ferrari dealer network and independent service shops. I still use the Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 for the rare times I need to top up.

Here is the PDS for the racing version
https://evosupplygroupcatalog.sfo3.digitaloceanspaces.com/files/Y5s0MHtF3oPvORKoTlJ9N1GjaJ4sVzwuM0cJOUCa.pdf

I use an independent Ferrari service provider and he gets the Pennziol racing oil in drums. He said he is hesitant to use something outside of Ferraris official recommendation and while they are tight lipped on the reason, he felt it wasn't worth ignoring it.
He posted on a Ferrari forum this comment about it:

"Many of the governments, US and EU are banning some of the additives in the oil for street cars due to either emissions or the affects they have on catalytic converters. "Racing" oil do not fall under that category so there may be an additive that Ferrari wants to remain in the oil. I notice the API move from SN to SP in the Euro platinum but generally going up an API grade has always been acceptable."

 

[Newuser]

The Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 used to be Ferrari approved and even had labeling attesting to that (with a horsey too), but Ferrari changed their recommendation to Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5w-40 a few years ago, which appears to only be available in drums sold to the Ferrari dealer network and independent service shops. I still use the Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 for the rare times I need to top up.

Here is the PDS for the racing version
https://evosupplygroupcatalog.sfo3.digitaloceanspaces.com/files/Y5s0MHtF3oPvORKoTlJ9N1GjaJ4sVzwuM0cJOUCa.pdf

I use an independent Ferrari service provider and he gets the Pennziol racing oil in drums. He said he is hesitant to use something outside of Ferraris official recommendation and while they are tight lipped on the reason, he felt it wasn't worth ignoring it.
He posted on a Ferrari forum this comment about it:

"Many of the governments, US and EU are banning some of the additives in the oil for street cars due to either emissions or the affects they have on catalytic converters. "Racing" oil do not fall under that category so there may be an additive that Ferrari wants to remain in the oil. I notice the API move from SN to SP in the Euro platinum but generally going up an API grade has always been acceptable."

Appreciate the insight!

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Between these two, which is the better oil?

The NAPA is engine quieter.
None better to test the noise under the hood, than my wife's Kia Chatterbox.

Next testing is early September (featuring HPL Motor Oils). Her 2.0 MPI ruled Amsoil 0w30 Euro as being Noisy.
My remaining Amsoil stash now belongs to my Hyundai 2.4 GDI engine, which loves all oils / all viscosities.
It's a total opposite of the Kia, despite both being of S.Korean descent.

A few years ago, I knew something was 'cheerfully' wrong with my Hyundai 2.4, when it approved Supertech Oil

 

[kschachn]

"Many of the governments, US and EU are banning some of the additives in the oil for street cars due to either emissions or the affects they have on catalytic converters. "Racing" oil do not fall under that category so there may be an additive that Ferrari wants to remain in the oil. I notice the API move from SN to SP in the Euro platinum but generally going up an API grade has always been acceptable."

That really makes no sense. What additives are being banned?

 

[Newuser]

Anyone know the zinc levels of the QS 5w-40 Euro?