Purolator Boss PBL24011 Cut Open

[Mrsandman]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ troll troll troll

Go to bed son. It's past your bed time.
The Fram ultra is still a good choice so don't get butt hurt because purolator has made a great filter.
Yes the boss is probably superior in all ways but still at least Fram makes 1 good filter these days. That's never been the case in times past so there's hope for them.

 

[bbhero]

Well what is the efficiency of this new Boss filter ? Wouldn't make sense for Purolator to openly put this information out there to promote their new and improved filter?? I hope at SOME point they decide to publish these results. It would be rather nice to know what these heavy well built filters can really do. I am willing to run one on my car but I'd like to know what I'm getting.

 

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
Well what is the efficiency of this new Boss filter ? Wouldn't make sense for Purolator to openly put this information out there to promote their new and improved filter?? I hope at SOME point they decide to publish these results. It would be rather nice to know what these heavy well built filters can really do. I am willing to run one on my car but I'd like to know what I'm getting.


This is definitely the one thing that seems to be lacking. Hopefully they'll get smart and put out some numbers for the thing...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: rslifkin
Originally Posted By: bbhero
Well what is the efficiency of this new Boss filter ? Wouldn't make sense for Purolator to openly put this information out there to promote their new and improved filter?? I hope at SOME point they decide to publish these results. It would be rather nice to know what these heavy well built filters can really do. I am willing to run one on my car but I'd like to know what I'm getting.


This is definitely the one thing that seems to be lacking. Hopefully they'll get smart and put out some numbers for the thing...


They won't give the details because they don't want the consumer who knows about efficiency to see how inefficient they are. That's my bet. People selling products usually don't divulge [censored] specs, but they will gladly divulge great specs.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ troll troll troll

Go to bed son. It's past your bed time.
The Fram ultra is still a good choice so don't get butt hurt because purolator has made a great filter.


Ok grandpa! I think we know who's "hurting" around here. LoL

 

[HerrStig]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
So, the Ultra has metal wire backing and the Boss uses plastic and that is fine for the Puro fanboys. But the Fram orange can has fiber end caps which the media actually sticks to and Tearolators use metal end caps that pop off if you stare at them funny and that is better?

Fanboys will be fanboys.....
Why you almost NEVER see a filter company use metal end caps. Never (sarc)

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
Well what is the efficiency of this new Boss filter ? Wouldn't make sense for Purolator to openly put this information out there to promote their new and improved filter??

It would have made sense for Purolator to leave the can designs alone, skip the new paint, and just tell everyone that the media is new and improved and redesigned, or something like that. That way, they don't have to admit to having a problem, which seems to be very important for them to avoid. Yet, they could fix it that way and get the message out to the people that pay attention, like us.

A paint job and no specifications doesn't fill me with confidence. Considering that Purolator had some of the best efficiency numbers for the money (i.e. PureOne or Bosch Premium, particularly), you'd think they'd not want to give that up.

Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
^^ blah blah blah

You can say what you like, but Purolator's North American operations would have done themselves a good service to take a field trip to China to learn how to build a filter with even pleats, at the very least. There is much I don't like about Fram. However, Purolator has a lot to learn about customer service, public relations, marketing, quality control, logistics, attention to detail....

 

[DoubleWasp]

My guess is that their lack of double-layer media is where the difference in efficiency will play out. Potentially why Purolator is shy about sharing numbers of their showpiece.

 

[Mrsandman]

Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.
Efficiencey ratings are are highly overated around here anyway. 99% at 50 will keep your engines alive as long as 99% @10.
Probably frequent oil changes with no filteration would result in equal longevity.

 

[rslifkin]

At this point, the lack of efficiency numbers isn't quite a deal-breaker for me trying one. I'll probably do it anyway. It's just one of those things that would be nice to know, I think. Especially when they published them for the older filters and many other manufacturers publish theirs.

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.
Efficiencey ratings are are highly overated around here anyway. 99% at 50 will keep your engines alive as long as 99% @10.
Probably frequent oil changes with no filteration would result in equal longevity.


You are the one who keeps saying they are the best filter around and yet you can't produce any filtering data/specs to prove it??? So you are saying that if:
Filter A: 99% @ 10 99.9% @ 20 (just as example)
Filter B: 99% @ 50 10% @ 20 (who knows how bad it would be at 20 but it's a possibility)

You would choose filter B over filter A??

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.
Efficiencey ratings are are highly overated around here anyway. 99% at 50 will keep your engines alive as long as 99% @10.
Probably frequent oil changes with no filteration would result in equal longevity.


I think I understand now. Just another one for the ignore list. Was pretty clear after going back through your previous posts

 

[53' Stude]

+10000 another know nothing for the ignore list

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.

They don't. And yes, the value of efficiency ratings is overblown. But, this is BITOG, and we obsess about oil and filters, so, it shouldn't surprise you, that when you come to BITOG, that people are obsessing about oil and filters.

I know the rest of the world doesn't care. If I did, I'd always be at Walmart, paying top dollar for something highly visible, not to mention for a selection from the proverbial Canadian Wall o' Fram. But, I'm not the rest of the world. And, Purolator had been trumpeting efficiency claims for a long time. Clearly, those claims mattered to them at one time. Now they don't. Why?

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.

They don't. And yes, the value of efficiency ratings is overblown. But, this is BITOG, and we obsess about oil and filters, so, it shouldn't surprise you, that when you come to BITOG, that people are obsessing about oil and filters.

I know the rest of the world doesn't care. If I did, I'd always be at Walmart, paying top dollar for something highly visible, not to mention for a selection from the proverbial Canadian Wall o' Fram. But, I'm not the rest of the world. And, Purolator had been trumpeting efficiency claims for a long time. Clearly, those claims mattered to them at one time. Now they don't. Why?



Exactly, that's like going to a fitness forum and asking why everyone is obsessed with their bodies!

 

[dlundblad]

Jk636 crawled out from under his bridge again.

A Purolator fan boy would be preaching how efficiency doesnt matter.

 

[Xrs2zz]

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.

They don't. And yes, the value of efficiency ratings is overblown. But, this is BITOG, and we obsess about oil and filters, so, it shouldn't surprise you, that when you come to BITOG, that people are obsessing about oil and filters.

I know the rest of the world doesn't care. If I did, I'd always be at Walmart, paying top dollar for something highly visible, not to mention for a selection from the proverbial Canadian Wall o' Fram. But, I'm not the rest of the world. And, Purolator had been trumpeting efficiency claims for a long time. Clearly, those claims mattered to them at one time. Now they don't. Why?



Exactly, that's like going to a fitness forum and asking why everyone is obsessed with their bodies!


If this forum listened to guys like "Sand" dude everyone would be silent and it wouldn't be a place anyone would visit. Going onto a forum to tell people to keep their opinions to themselves is ridiculous.

 

[SirTanon]

Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.
Efficiencey ratings are are highly overated around here anyway. 99% at 50 will keep your engines alive as long as 99% @10.
Probably frequent oil changes with no filteration would result in equal longevity.


IMHO, this here says it all. You clearly don't realize how important good filtration is in modern engines.

I want my engine to last at least 300,000 miles.. not the 100,000 miles that they used to when oil filtration was young. You can't expect that to happen when the filter is only reliably capturing the 50 micron particles and bigger.

I don't think egotism comes into this argument. It's about realistic expectations. I can buy a Fram Ultra for under $10 which WILL capture the 20 micron particles @ 99% - Why shouldn't I expect the Boss, which is a newly-designed product and sells for more $$, to at least match that?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Oh you guys are just living in an egotistical bubble. You actually believe the other 99.99999 percent of the world cares or even knows about anythung anyone says on bitog lol.
Efficiencey ratings are are highly overated around here anyway. 99% at 50 will keep your engines alive as long as 99% @10.
Probably frequent oil changes with no filteration would result in equal longevity.


You are the one who keeps saying they are the best filter around and yet you can't produce any filtering data/specs to prove it??? So you are saying that if:
Filter A: 99% @ 10 99.9% @ 20 (just as example)
Filter B: 99% @ 50 10% @ 20 (who knows how bad it would be at 20 but it's a possibility)

You would choose filter B over filter A??


He would if Filter B was a Purolator so he could maintain his shilling license.

 

[Nate1979]

If the Boss comes out with it's specs and they are as good as the previous specs in the 99% @ 20 range it will be a pretty good filter and in the same league as the other top tiers like the Ultra, RP, etc.