Possible Salt water on mars?

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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Makes you wonder why we have so much water on earth but not much in mars when both are so similar.


I believe I can answer that. Once upon a time, both earth and mars were much, much hotter than they are today. Earth was nothing but a rock of molten lava, cooling slowly. Today, we still retain much of that heat, because we are much closer to the sun than mars, and because earth is much larger. This means that our core still retains much of the heat of planet formation, and is active, providing us with plate tectonics, and a magnetosphere.

Mars is much further away, and much smaller than earth. It is theorized that once upon a time, Mars was very much like earth is today. Warmer, with a real atmosphere similar to the early earths atmosphere- likely a reducing atmosphere. It was covered with liquid water, the giant chasms on the surface are identical to those on earth, formed when giant glaciers melted, and ice dams collapsed, with trillions of gallons of water suddenly flooding onto plains, carving out canyons. Only much, much larger.

We know mars was an active world once, because of this. And because it has volcanoes, Olympus Mons for example, the largest volcano in our solar system, makes Mount everest look almost like an anthill. But because it is further away, and smaller, Mars core lost it's heat much more quickly than the earth did, freezing solid. With no active core driving a magnetosphere, the solar wind blew Mars' atmosphere into space, leaving behind a trace atmosphere of Carbon dioxide, at such a low pressure that on the surface, you're blood would boil in the relatively mild temperatures. Mars surface can be extremely cold, but it can be liveable for humans in some areas, warmer than negative 100 fahrenheit. With no atmosphere left, the oceans boiled away into space, leaving behind a dry surface. It appears that some water may still be trapped deep in the martian soil.
 
And then you can look at Saturns moon, titan. The only other solid body in our solar system known to have a thick, dense atmosphere. It's not entirely dissimilar to earths, largely composed of nitrogen, and contains methane and ethane. The surface temperature is extremely cold, about negative 180 celsius. On the surface exists lakes, ponds and oceans of Liquid Methane and Ethane. There is weather on titan. It rains hydrocarbons instead of water. The atmosphere. The atmosphere on the surface is actually more dense than earths. You could breathe on the surface- though not for very long, as it completely lacks oxygen.

The solar system is a fascinating place. And yes, I knew all of this off the top of my head. I read a lot, and watch a lot of science and history channel.
 
Wow, Nick_R, right on the money. Mars did have an atmosphere but it was ripped away by solar winds because the core of the planet no longer had liquid metal, causing loss of the magnetosphere (probably). But the atmosphere was nothing like Earth's. Mars does not have sufficient gravity to hold an earth-like atmosphere.
 
I would think that any water would not be pristine H20, but instead be contaminated by whatever it is adjacent to. What else could it be?
 
There is ice beneath some parts of the Martian surface. Logically it would carry a heavy burden of salt, as Mars is somewaht Earthlike, but handicaped for any chance of life. The small size, lesser gravity, lack of a magnetic field and stuff like that made Mars lose almost all its water. But a billion years ago, Mars may have been much nicer. If there was life once, I doubt there is any left now.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
I would think that any water would not be pristine H20, but instead be contaminated by whatever it is adjacent to. What else could it be?


H20 on earth wasn't pristine either, but somehow life works.

Wondering if those water end up on earth somehow.
 
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Makes you wonder why we have so much water on earth but not much in mars when both are so similar.


Yes, but do they have oil on Mars; and can we get it back to earth so we can burn it up
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One other important point: the decay of radioactive elements in earth's core (principally Thorium) that has helped it retain the heat necessary for a liquid core. That rotating liquid core creates the magnetosphere that prevents most of the solar wind (ions and HE particles) from reaching earth's surface, which would be disastrous for life on earth. IIRC, earth is the one planet believed to have a liquid core...and moons like Titan may retain a liquid core, due to the heating created by the strong gravitational (tidal) forces experienced that close to Jupiter...
 
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Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
I just wondered how we got this to happen on Mars?


Doesn't mean logically that we aren't having a local effect.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
I just wondered how we got this to happen on Mars?


Doesn't mean logically that we aren't having a local effect.


Shannow, I know from previous posts that both you and I are conservationists. We both believe in keeping the air and water on this rock as clean as practically possible.

I believe that should be the goal and the rest will follow. JMO
 
Also, the only reason to suspect saline water there is that it might fit the pattern of flow when it is cold [won't freeze at lower temps].
Hardly any evidence at all.
 
Something tells me that there are a lot of things we (the general public) are purposely denied information about especially when it comes to anything space related.

Anyone ever see the video of Neil Armstrong refusing to swear on the Bible that he landed on the moon?

BTW Neil is a very devout Christian too.

YouTube it.

I wouldn't doubt that no only is there quite a bit of water on Mars, but there are many other things there too. like signs of intelligent life visited before us.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Also, the only reason to suspect saline water there is that it might fit the pattern of flow when it is cold [won't freeze at lower temps].
Hardly any evidence at all.


Salt water isn't evidence of salt water ?

Not sure I get your logic.
 
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