Porsche Taycan Nurburgring Lap Record

[edyvw]

Tesla relies too much on regenerative braking too, which is ok at low street speeds. I have assisted friction braking shut off and letting off at 70mph feels like regular engine braking or standard drag that drivetrain causes, which I'm sure only makes things worse as the battery at motor heats up and limits regenerative braking. Now you're leaning on the friction brakes completely. I had a 2004 GTO which weighed the same as the RWD Model 3 and had brakes designed to fit in the stock 17" wheels and the whole chassis started out as the Opel Omega(Cadillac Catera in the US). It was a great car, but it was street car in the strictest sense without brake upgrades and bigger wheels. The big selling point was that it had all this Corvette equipment, but the Corvette at the time had to be 600-700lbs lighter. It was a stark contrast from the Boxster I was looking at during that time, but I sided with two extra seats and a V8. It was fun, but definitely not the same experience.

I am aware of Omega. I owned one with BMW 2.5 diesel engine in Europe. That was actually a fantastic vehicle. But as you said, not sure whose idea was to bolt on GTO and say: yep, you go have fun. However, considering my Omega had 143 hp, the brakes were actually fantastic. V8? well...

 

[Ws6]

Mind blowing to me that we're comparing an EV6GT to a Taycan. On many levels.
My 6-yr old Son, Dad!? Which Superhero would win a fight? Aquaman vs Superman?

It outperforms the Taycan Sport Tourismo on track, but the GTS is an animal.

 

[TimeFlies]

I think it depends. I haven't pushed many EVs, but they tend to cut power when really pushed. Heck the traction control is too intrusive on the GTI when it's supposedly off. It's made itself much more known with the stage 1 tune. I'll be taking care of that next week. I've yet to have the GTI on track, it's been years since I did that, but I wouldn't bother until I get that taken care of. I can't fully disengage ECS and that won't allow the car to really rotate if I got the back end loose.

I've been to racing school and spent a lot of time performance driving, but most of that was more than 10 years ago now. I'd like to see what the Model 3 Performance is actually like in track mode. I can feel even in the RWD that it's got good balance and steering but even with the the traction control pulled back it does much the same the GTI does, steps in if it gets really out of sorts. Once the Model 3 even locked up the brakes and would not allow me to resume movement until it came near a complete stop. That's not what I want to see. I don't like it when a car cuts power, but locking up the brakes because I got full sideways is nuts.

That would be spooky at best.
I've never driven on a race track.
The only driving competition I have done, was in a semi truck, in a parking lot. It wasn't high speed, but about maneuverability, backing up, and not running over any orange cones. 42 entrants that day, all professional truck drivers, and I took 2nd place, so felt good about how I did.
It couldn't have been more different than driving fast on a track though.

 

[Vercingetorix]

It outperforms the Taycan Sport Tourismo on track, but the GTS is an animal.
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But still no evidence it can complete a full lap at the Nurburgring? The Porsche did.

 

[Ws6]

But still no evidence it can complete a full lap at the Nurburgring? The Porsche did.

I hope someone compares it to the N. Part of the issue is that the north american tires are garbage, while europe gets PS4s. I wonder if they are not releasing data due to it being gimped in North America so badly. For example, Edmunds can barely get 3.6-3.7 0-60 out of the north American car, while those of us on non-oem rubber get 3.4-3.5.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I hope someone compares it to the N. Part of the issue is that the north american tires are garbage, while europe gets PS4s. I wonder if they are not releasing data due to it being gimped in North America so badly. For example, Edmunds can barely get 3.6-3.7 0-60 out of the north American car, while those of us on non-oem rubber get 3.4-3.5.

Wait, North American tires are garbage? What are you smoking?

 

[Vercingetorix]

I hope someone compares it to the N. Part of the issue is that the north american tires are garbage, while europe gets PS4s. I wonder if they are not releasing data due to it being gimped in North America so badly. For example, Edmunds can barely get 3.6-3.7 0-60 out of the north American car, while those of us on non-oem rubber get 3.4-3.5.

The Taycan does not have PS4S either, and they are certainly not the best tyre for track use.

 

[edyvw]

It outperforms the Taycan Sport Tourismo on track, but the GTS is an animal.
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As long as track is short enough? You know: “we can compete, but, keep it short.”

 

[edyvw]

I hope someone compares it to the N. Part of the issue is that the north american tires are garbage, while europe gets PS4s. I wonder if they are not releasing data due to it being gimped in North America so badly. For example, Edmunds can barely get 3.6-3.7 0-60 out of the north American car, while those of us on non-oem rubber get 3.4-3.5.

A lot of people get different times on a lot of vehicles. Depends on various factors, not just tires.
What is OE tire on KIA?

 

[Ws6]

A lot of people get different times on a lot of vehicles. Depends on various factors, not just tires.
What is OE tire on KIA?

Goodyear f1 gen 3 suv conus, ps4s oconus, and the Topher literally shredded a Goodyear's tread lightly tracking the GT at a press event. I got rid of them before I ever drove mine.

 

[Ws6]

The Taycan does not have PS4S either, and they are certainly not the best tyre for track use.

They're also way wider. GT is under tired and needs good rubber. I showed you 3 consecutive laps of Knutstorp (1.2mi per lap). No issues.

 

[Vercingetorix]

They're also way wider. GT is under tired and needs good rubber. I showed you 3 consecutive laps of Knutstorp (1.2mi per lap). No issues.

Can or cannot complete a lap of the Nurburgring. Seems the answer is cannot. Can is one of Porsches design parameters and has been since the 60s. Excuses are for losers.

 

[Ws6]

Can or cannot complete a lap of the Nurburgring. Seems the answer is cannot. Can is one of Porsches design parameters and has been since the 60s. Excuses are for losers.

I guess if it were part of my criteria, Id agree. Its not. Everyone has their own standards for various things and use cases.

 

[edyvw]

They're also way wider. GT is under tired and needs good rubber. I showed you 3 consecutive laps of Knutstorp (1.2mi per lap). No issues.

That is nothing but your opinion. If KIA could not figure out the appropriate width of the tire, then they cannot figure out more important things.
Also, Porsche is Porsche. KIA is, well KIA. It is not a track machine, regardless of what you think.

 

[edyvw]

Goodyear f1 gen 3 suv conus, ps4s oconus, and the Topher literally shredded a Goodyear's tread lightly tracking the GT at a press event. I got rid of them before I ever drove mine.

There is no lightly tracking EV. They are heavy. KIA will be harder on tires than Porsche bcs. Porsche has far better suspension, more articulated camber etc. It will be better on tires.
I can guarantee you that on track Chevrolet Impala will be harder on tires than 911.

 

[Ws6]

There is no lightly tracking EV. They are heavy. KIA will be harder on tires than Porsche bcs. Porsche has far better suspension, more articulated camber etc. It will be better on tires.
I can guarantee you that on track Chevrolet Impala will be harder on tires than 911.

Awesome how it keeps up with the lighter carrera 4S on track. The Germans know how to build a suspension, and the ev6 gt is no exception to this.

That is nothing but your opinion. If KIA could not figure out the appropriate width of the tire, then they cannot figure out more important things.
Also, Porsche is Porsche. KIA is, well KIA. It is not a track machine, regardless of what you think.

Wild. Wonder why they widened the tires on the track version. Any guess? Also, no, its a GT car. Kinda in the name...

 

[edyvw]

Awesome how it keeps up with the lighter carrera 4S on track. The Germans know how to build a suspension, lol.


Wild. Wonder why they widened the tires on the track version. Any guess?

Because the track is the track, they also plan to sell cars for people who do not track vehicles, nor would anyone seriously track that KIA. Because with wider tires, you get less range, etc. Porsche can do that, KIA? Not so much.

It can keep up bcs. power. For a lap. Then Porsche has to come back and tow it over finish line.

By the way, the main engineer on suspension development in HK was 2nd guy at the M division. He is German.

 

[Ws6]

Wait, North American tires are garbage? What are you smoking?

Yes. The goodyears are trash. PS4s are in another league. In fact, on corvettes when I went to Pahrump, they would pull the F1G2s off a vette and put PS2s on em. Cut 2 seconds off lap time. Way better. Goodyears are super meh.

 

[Ws6]

Because the track is the track, they also plan to sell cars for people who do not track vehicles, nor would anyone seriously track that KIA. Because with wider tires, you get less range, etc. Porsche can do that, KIA? Not so much.

It can keep up bcs. power. For a lap. Then Porsche has to come back and tow it over finish line.

By the way, the main engineer on suspension development in HK was 2nd guy at the M division. He is German.

Yup. Biermann. Thermal management in the GT is superior to the Taycans, minus the GTS. Maybe. Brakes way better unless you step up for PCCB. Its a better engineered powertrain. More regen braking. More efficient on track. High rpm motors that dont require a 2 speed, etc.Just better. Its also a GT car, so its got over 6 inches clearance and narrower tires. If you dropped it and threw wider tires on it, that would be interesting, but thats not its use. I5N for that.

 

[edyvw]

Yup. Biermann. Thermal management in the GT is superior to the Taycans, minus the GTS. Maybe. Brakes way better unless you step up for PCCB. Its a better engineered powertrain. More regen braking. More efficient on track. High rpm motors that dont require a 2 speed, etc.Just better. Its also a GT car, so its got over 6 inches clearance and narrower tires. If you dropped it and threw wider tires on it, that would be interesting, but thats not its use. I5N for that.
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And still cannot finish lap. ccccccc