PL20195 on Tacoma (Pixs)

[SuperBusa]

The PL30001/ Motorcraft FL-1A are larger in diameter, but the O-ring gasket looks to be the same diameter as the PL20195.

It might fit and seal correctly on the mounting base, but the can would probably be hanging over the mount some.

20195
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL20195

30001
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL30001

The bypass valve setting sure has a broad range on the 30001 (8 ~ 16 psi).

 

[ThirdeYe]

There's also the 25230 which is the same as the 20195 but it has a fairly unique thread-end bypass.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
There's also the 25230 which is the same as the 20195 but it has a fairly unique thread-end bypass.


Yes ... here's a photo where you can see the different bypass valve setup.

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL25230

I wonder why the 25230 filter is only specified for the vehicles shown below? - only 13 of them. Mostly Ford products ... so maybe the base end bypass valve is for that reason (?).

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/reso...5230&page=1

 

[ThirdeYe]

Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
There's also the 25230 which is the same as the 20195 but it has a fairly unique thread-end bypass.


Yes ... here's a photo where you can see the different bypass valve setup.

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL25230

I wonder why the 25230 filter is only specified for the vehicles shown below? - only 13 of them. Mostly Ford products ... so maybe the base end bypass valve is for that reason (?).

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/reso...5230&page=1


You know what's odd... if you type in the "L25230" in that "Where Used" guide, it only shows a Jeep as the application. If you type in the PL25230 as you did, it shows the Ford products... weird! It's screwy how it says the 25230 fits the 2.0 Zetec on the Escort for 1998 (which is what we have) but when you go to the application guide and enter in the 1998 Ford Escort, it comes up with the 20195 as the recommended result.

 

[river_rat]

For a really loooong filter you could cut a hole on the hood and put a bobblehead on the end! I would probably go that route.

 

[Bandito440]

I discussed this with Purolator and received the following response:

I would not use the PL30001 for this application.
The PL10241 is the correct filter cross for your application. The OEM filter I believe is just slightly taller by around ½ inch.

Note: Any filter used other than the one crossed to the application will void the filter’s warranty.

The plate geometry is different between the PL10241 and the PL20195, therefore the gasket contact to thread engagement will be different. This would be key depending on the engine’s filter mounting base design. Keep in mind that the filter spins on several revolutions before gasket contact and the ¾ -1 turn installation is made and to check after installation for leakage. If filter space is not an issue and the filter does not hang down to become a low point of engine to be a prime target of road debris, then the increase in height should not posse any issues.

FYI – The PSL10241. If your wanting more capacity, Purolator has just launched a new product line. Purolator Synthetic filter line. This is a full synthetic media with wire backing that has a much higher capacity amount than any of the other Purolator filters. I would recommend you look into the PSL10241.

Best regards,

Brian

Sr. Product Engineer, IAM Product Engineering | Purolator Filters NA LLC



Soooo... I'll be using the 20195 next. Props to Purolator though. I appreciate the explanation. Usually I just get "because we said so" when emailing manufacturers.

 

[Sayjac]

As I remember Super Busa was very satisfied with PL20195, and had no start up noise with longer filter, even with the thread end down orientation. Silicone adbv works well. In this case the 30001 could be a bit too long. Nice response from Puro though, and you got an answer from an engineer, not just the folks working the PRO, which weren't the most knowledgeable at times.

FWIW, two posters in this thread that haven't been heard from for awhile. Super Busa and River_rat had some nice filter information contributions. Busa has the email from Purolator showing the excellent flow characteristics of the P1 disputing the poor flow rumors. As well as some other insightful posts like the Subaru bypass thread.

River_rat has his filter study, "Some Filtration Comparisons from the Bench," which is excellent imo and posted here a couple years ago, as well as other filter posts. Haven't heard from either recently.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Bandito440
I discussed this with Purolator and received the following response:

The plate geometry is different between the PL10241 and the PL20195, therefore the gasket contact to thread engagement will be different. This would be key depending on the engine’s filter mounting base design. Keep in mind that the filter spins on several revolutions before gasket contact and the ¾ -1 turn installation is made and to check after installation for leakage.

Soooo... I'll be using the 20195 next.


I'm wondering if the bases are actually different between the 10241 & 20195 as they say. I thought the 20195 was identical except for the overall length. Will have to take a look at the two next time I'm someplace that sells both.

 

[Texan4Life]

Originally Posted By: river_rat
All you have to do is take a sharp punch and poke a hole in the top dome of the filter - this allows the vacuum to be broken inside the filter and allows the oil to drain out through the center core. It's like putting your finger over the end of a straw with it's in a glass and pulling the straw out ... the water remains inside the straw, until you remove your finger off the end of the straw.

I do the hole in the dome trick when the oil is hot and let it drain over night. Next morning the filter can be removed without one oil drop.


+1

 

[Bandito440]

Thanks for the welcome. I'll have to check out the bases on those two filters at one of the stores while I'm running errands tomorrow. I'm headed to Napa to get some M1 0W-40 and 15W-50. It's $5/qt after the rebate. Not bad.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
I discussed this with Purolator and received the following response:

The plate geometry is different between the PL10241 and the PL20195, therefore the gasket contact to thread engagement will be different. This would be key depending on the engine’s filter mounting base design. Keep in mind that the filter spins on several revolutions before gasket contact and the ¾ -1 turn installation is made and to check after installation for leakage.

Soooo... I'll be using the 20195 next.


I'm wondering if the bases are actually different between the 10241 & 20195 as they say. I thought the 20195 was identical except for the overall length. Will have to take a look at the two next time I'm someplace that sells both.


Had a chance to look side-by-side at the bases on both the 10241 and 20195 today. The center threaded area of the base on the 20195 does stick out slightly more towards the gasket surface of the filter by maybe only a couple of millimeters. Don't think it would be an issue using the 20195 over the 10241, but if concerned be sure to check on how far the hex on the threaded center piece (on engine side) is below the seat surface to ensure there won't be any bottoming out of the filter's base before the gasket seals.

 

[Bandito440]

Good deal. I got a couple of 20915s from Amazon. I've got another month or so to go before OCI so I'll report back then.

 

[wag123]

Looking down inside the PL20195, it appears that it has a coil spring bypass valve rather than the flat spring bypass valve used on the shorter PL10241 and most other Purolators. Is this correct? If so, I wonder why?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: wag123
Looking down inside the PL20195, it appears that it has a coil spring bypass valve rather than the flat spring bypass valve used on the shorter PL10241 and most other Purolators. Is this correct? If so, I wonder why?


Purolator uses both bypass valve spring designs. At one time it was thought that the flat spring was only used on the smaller filters, but then someone posted a photo of a large Purolator with the flat spring. Unknown why they use the coil on some and the flat on others.

 

[Sayjac]

^^^^What he said. Some of the larger filters do use the flat spring design rather than coil spring. Why?

 

[Bandito440]

For anyone still interested, I've been running this filter for about 3,000 miles with no issues.