Pennzoil Ultra Platinum vs Valvoline Extended Protection?

[SubieRubyRoo]

If it's the right thing to do, what manufacturers provide HM oils in their factory-fill?
Ever wonder why they don't?
Don't say contractual price savings..... that's the wrong answer.

There’s no downside to running HM oils from brand new. MolaKule had a few entries a couple years ago explaining the main differences between “regular” & HM oils, and stated pretty clearly you could run HM oil from the minute you drive a new vehicle off the lot.

Manufacturers certainly could use these oils from day one, but they don’t, because of the negative stigma of a “high mileage” car in the mind of the consumer.

 

[The Lube Guy]

Please learn what already exists in a jug of oil. Please understand that the shape and form of seals would be different, if the new engine factory thought such changes needed to be done.

Ask a passenger car manufacturer why they don't issue HM oils at the factory. Please don't be ashamed if they crack a OMG smirk on their face afterwards.

 

[BrendanC]

our vehicles get high mileage oil from the day i do the first oil change. it will not hurt anything.

 

[The Lube Guy]

The most cringe-worthy comments about HM oils are usually written by folks who never get their hands dirty with mechanical work. It's obvious to me that they don't understand how seals work and why they fail. Rather than hitting Google and studying hard, they prefer to make less-than-intelligent remarks.

 

[Revving2Redline]

Define High Mileage Oil. What standards cover High Mileage Oil?

essentially all oil is high mileage, the marketed HM just uses slightly more sealing product.

 

[Revving2Redline]

The most cringe-worthy comments about HM oils are usually written by folks who never get their hands dirty with mechanical work. It's obvious to me that they don't understand how seals work and why they fail. Rather than hitting Google and studying hard, they prefer to make less-than-intelligent remarks.

too often the seals get brittle from age or defective emissions parts like pcv valves. Using a low quality oil and combined with varnish from not frequently changing and oil breaking down leaks become the result. In some aspect that is the same issue with cars that either go less than 5 Mi a day or there's a car that's 25 years old with only five or six thousand miles on it.

 

[The Lube Guy]

essentially all oil is high mileage, the marketed HM just uses slightly more sealing product.

Yes, and sometimes they will use higher quality base oils and a bit more additives. Like Mobil 1 EP HM (GTL+AN), or Valvoline EP HM (GTL).

 

[Revving2Redline]

Yes, and sometimes they will use higher quality base oils and a bit more additives. Like Mobil 1 EP HM (GTL+AN), or Valvoline EP HM (GTL).

good point there! thanks

 

[midnightlaundry]

I've been running PP roughly since it was introduced. It was mentioned that the new oil became dirty quicker and I do remember this being the case.

It's a big claim that Valvoline advertises zero deposits. It's can only be good. I'll be up for giving it a run.

 

[JRATT]

You can use HM oils in brand new engines without issue.

PP 5W30 HM oils are higher viscosity PP = 53.9 cSt @ 100c, 9.8 cSt @ 100c. PP HM 65.5 cSt @ 100c 11.4 cSt @ 100c.

 

[53' Stude]

I’d use Valvoline Extended Protection High Mileage

 

[anndel01]

I use Mobil 1, Pennzoil, Castrol or Valvoline - what ever is on the shelf at Walmart when it's time for the OCI on one or all of our vehicles. If none on the shelf then I go to Amazon.com but in 3 instances the bottle broke and either was undeliverable or I was issued a refund. 3 vehicles gets the HM flavor, the 2022 Rav4 just gets 0W-16.

The main thing is follow the OCI in your owner's manual and their recommended grade for your driving style/ambient temperature.

 

[SARG52]

P.T. Barnum said it best.

 

[wlk]

Valvoline EP would be my pick. Ran super quiet in my Expedition, HM version is not a bad choice here either. It's easier to access and cheaper since wallymarts carry it. No downside

 

[THORROMIG]

Flip a coin...

 

[SARG52]

Flip a coin...

Indeed ... You can bet a fingertip the engines will never demonstrate a difference.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Indeed ... You can bet a fingertip the engines will never demonstrate a difference.

You must be new here

 

[SARG52]

You must be new here

That's true.
It's entertaining to read the various threads about spending bags of money on oil primarily because of the endless advertising about the mystery ingredients and their benefits AND then read the next thread about reusing contaminated oil filters because the filters are contructed with a superior methodoligy.
Just a giggle a minute.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

That's true.
It's entertaining to read the various threads about spending bags of money on oil primarily because of the endless advertising about the mystery ingredients and their benefits AND then read the next thread about reusing contaminated oil filters because the filters are contructed with a superior methodoligy.
Just a giggle a minute.

"Contamintated" with what? How does modest carry over lubricant and particulate (since the dawn of motordom) invalidate any specific oil formulation choice?

And where are all these "bags of money"? I need git me some!

 

[Triple_Se7en]

That's true.
It's entertaining to read the various threads about spending bags of money on oil primarily because of the endless advertising about the mystery ingredients and their benefits AND then read the next thread about reusing contaminated oil filters because the filters are contructed with a superior methodoligy.
Just a giggle a minute.

I guess you've yet-to-learn of vehicles accumulating 300+k mileage using repeated contaminated oil filters for the 2nd OCIs, over the period of lets say 20 years.

Our landfills are already overflowing with used oil filters that are 80+% clean still.
Lets not be repeated polluters of our earth. Those with contaminated engines are overestimating their essential / purposeful use of their oils. Shorter OCIs have been the Smart Mechanics Recommended List for at least five years now.

If you are still adopting manufacturer recommendations, they say thank you very much for buying their products sooner than necessary.