JHZR2 The "lawyer's monopoly" is just that said:LOL, no offense taken, and welcome to the real world! All professions are this way. My experience has been that pofessional engineers are no better, and no worse, than any of the other professions.
If you do any type of real estate development, you get forced to purchase grossly inflated, marginally useful, professional services. No professional stamp on your drawings = no building permit, so you hold your nose and fork it over, or you don't do business. The cost gets jacked up because you have to pay it ( and if you're a doctor or a lawyer, I think a little extra jack gets added in ), and I can assure you that professional engineers are right there with their snouts in the trough and their hand out like everyone else.
I have some talented engineers as friends, but I've also seen some that I thought were not fit to engineer a butter knife, but somehow they managed to get the piece of paper. I know doctors, lawyers, and accountants that are the same way; some are brilliant - some are dumb as a fence post.
Hope I haven't offended any engineers here, especially after that big back patting session you all went through in that other thread, but I don't see it as being any better or worse than any other profession.
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I don't distrust lawyers. Sure there are enough of your classic greedy types ...but in another discussion they would be the poster boys of success if I read my conservative co-board members correctly. The forthright types are just as much a victim of the system as the critters. They don't get any discount in the field they operate in because of merit of conscience.
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Originally Posted By: Win
My experience has been that pofessional engineers are no better, and no worse, than any of the other professions.
No offense taken. That may well be the case...
The difference? The average engineer, PE, R&D (like myself), plant supervisor, etc. makes nowhere near the money that a doctor or lawyer does. Typical fully burdened cost of an engineer is about $100/hr. i.e. $200k/man-year for a full-burdened cost, of which the salary will be equal to or less than half that amount.
And in most engineering applications, people can be swapped in place to place, so a mechanical engineer can do reaction design, a chemical engineer may be working on electric plants, and a civil engineer may be working on the design of air blower systems.
This PE-thing aside, there really is no mutually excluding classification within the fields that makes it impossible for, say a chemist or mathematician to learn and perform the duties of an engineering field.
However, you HAVE to have a doctor to get a prescription... to which you personally really need to then research and learn about siad presciription, your ailments, etc.
You HAVE to have a lawyer, in reality, to get any sort of legal manipulation completed, once youre beyond small claims court. The system is inflexible and designed to require use of such services to have any sort of a success, otherwise significant amounts of time will be wasted, and a loss is ensured.
Unfortunately from what I have seen, and your PE issue aside (you are right, all professional guilds have their moneymaking arm, to ensure their survival), it is the lawyers and doctors that have set themselves up such that you have no choice but to use them. They truly have set up monopolies, and as such, their prices and rates are disproportionately higher then, say, engineers.
And I won't even start on the difficulty of the learning process in engineering (undergraduate, let alone graduate work), compared to pre-med, pre-law, and then the graduate tracks. But I do not desire to start a [censored] match...
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My experience has been that pofessional engineers are no better, and no worse, than any of the other professions.
No offense taken. That may well be the case...
The difference? The average engineer, PE, R&D (like myself), plant supervisor, etc. makes nowhere near the money that a doctor or lawyer does. Typical fully burdened cost of an engineer is about $100/hr. i.e. $200k/man-year for a full-burdened cost, of which the salary will be equal to or less than half that amount.
And in most engineering applications, people can be swapped in place to place, so a mechanical engineer can do reaction design, a chemical engineer may be working on electric plants, and a civil engineer may be working on the design of air blower systems.
This PE-thing aside, there really is no mutually excluding classification within the fields that makes it impossible for, say a chemist or mathematician to learn and perform the duties of an engineering field.
However, you HAVE to have a doctor to get a prescription... to which you personally really need to then research and learn about siad presciription, your ailments, etc.
You HAVE to have a lawyer, in reality, to get any sort of legal manipulation completed, once youre beyond small claims court. The system is inflexible and designed to require use of such services to have any sort of a success, otherwise significant amounts of time will be wasted, and a loss is ensured.
Unfortunately from what I have seen, and your PE issue aside (you are right, all professional guilds have their moneymaking arm, to ensure their survival), it is the lawyers and doctors that have set themselves up such that you have no choice but to use them. They truly have set up monopolies, and as such, their prices and rates are disproportionately higher then, say, engineers.
And I won't even start on the difficulty of the learning process in engineering (undergraduate, let alone graduate work), compared to pre-med, pre-law, and then the graduate tracks. But I do not desire to start a [censored] match...
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