Pacific Palisades Wildfire

[ripcord]

There isn't a general shortage of water in California at this time. Firefighting is exempt from water usage restrictions. Urban distribution piping systems are not designed to support a large number of fire hydrants in use at one time. Reducing river flow too much allows salt water to back up inland, which affects people as well as fish. Boring small fish are what big tasty fish eat to stay alive. Some people will believe anything.

If I'm not mistaken, it's Northern and Central California where most of the water restrictions are going on and they mainly affect rural agriculture, not municipal water supplies. Southern California never had all that much water to begin with and the majority comes from far away in the Sierras and the Colorado river.

 

[ripcord]

There are no bunch of them. They are on backorder so much that if you order today, they would be delivered in 2030. Not sure whether SDFD still has CL415’s on lease from Canada. They usually leas them September-December during Santa Ana’s. I bet some will make their way there soon from Canada.
CalFire probably has best fleet in the US. I think they have 12 new SH-70 FireHawks.
But, this is beyond capabilities of just one region.
Also, 100mph gusts are really, really bad when you fly so close to terrain. They had to stop flying yesterday.
There is no manmade solution here. They will have to figure out zoning there.

For sure, they just announced they were resuming production last year or the year before, IIRC.

 

[edyvw]

For sure, they just announced they were resuming production last year or the year before, IIRC.

Yes, CL515. But line is already long. It is probably most sought after airplane in the world.
No one is selling used. You can’t even find CL215 today.

 

[Chris142]

The council woman named Traci Park You may see on the news is my niece.

 

[spackard]

One of my friends in Santa Monica is watching the evacuation warning creep closer to her.

On the news last night they were showing a senior care facility in Alta Dena that had to evacuate. They had everyone in wheelchairs or gurneys in a 7-11 parking lot. Fortunately a bunch of vans came to load them as well as busses with ramps. Just a complete worst case scenario.

That senior care facility burned to the ground earlier today.

I live about 5 miles South of the Eaton fire. The wind was pretty bad. I had about 18 brown-outs last evening. Part of a tree down the street broke and blocked all passage. Trash cans today are overflowing with leaves, branches, etc., but still not as bad as 2011.
Smoke and ash are bad, eyes sting. A couple AQI meters were registering 500 last night. Most are mid 200’s now near me and mid 300’s near the fire. No wind at all now.

 

[I<3oil]

Start pumping seawater in. Help fight rising sea levels and put out fires.

Win/win!

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Here is Hope and Prayers to ALL in California during this trying time. I certainly hope all of our BITOG people and families are out of harms way. Property can always be replaced or even forgotten. Just make sure to take care of each other best you all can.

 

[JeffKeryk]

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

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Thanks for putting this up here. It helps us with limited knowledge of your great big giant state to understand better who and what areas are in immediate danger. Keep safe all of you there in SOCAL. Our thoughts and hopes are with you.

 

[Lyman]

 

[bdcardinal]

https://www.fire.ca.gov/ is a great resource for maps of the fire. The LA CBS station and their KCAL affiliate broadcast here: https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/

 

[bdcardinal]

So all day today I have been telling people ordering parts that there may be delays in our deliveries. Ford has a warehouse in Rancho Cucamonga and Mazda has one in Irvine. People literally had no idea what I was talking about. heavy sigh.

 

[edyvw]

It seems that Quebec CL415's were on the lease there or they arrived today. Usually they leave at the end of December.

 

[y_p_w]

There isn't a general shortage of water in California at this time. Firefighting is exempt from water usage restrictions. Urban distribution piping systems are not designed to support a large number of fire hydrants in use at one time. Reducing river flow too much allows salt water to back up inland, which affects people as well as fish. Boring small fish are what big tasty fish eat to stay alive. Some people will believe anything.

The reporting is that this neighborhood is reliant on water tanks where the water is pumped to higher altitudes for distribution in the area. The city of Los Angeles doesn't lack the water, but apparently the tanks are emptying and can't be filled that quickly.

https://www.ladwpnews.com/5pm-wednesday-january-8-ladwp-windstorm-and-fire-response/​

WATER SUPPLY PREPAREDNESS & AVAILABILITY IN PACIFIC PALISADES
In advance of the fire, LADWP activated its emergency preparedness protocols and filled all available water storage facility tanks and reservoirs, including three 1-million-gallon tanks in Palisades area.​

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Water continues to flow in the Palisades area through our main system. The high winds severely limited air operations and the number of fire hoses deployed depleted our tanks in the area, which has affected hydrants at high elevations. We immediately implemented our contingency plan to provide water trucks to support our firefighters, and our crews are working on how to refill the tanks during this very active firestorm.​

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We have deployed nineteen 2,000 – 4,000-gallon tanker trucks to further support firefighting efforts and are working right now with our water agency partners to increase water pressure to the area.​

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We are also asking our customers in the Westside to conserve water to make sure we are ready as the winds and dry conditions continue.​

 

[edyvw]

The reporting is that this neighborhood is reliant on water tanks where the water is pumped to higher altitudes for distribution in the area. The city of Los Angeles doesn't lack the water, but apparently the tanks are emptying and can't be filled that quickly.

https://www.ladwpnews.com/5pm-wednesday-january-8-ladwp-windstorm-and-fire-response/​

WATER SUPPLY PREPAREDNESS & AVAILABILITY IN PACIFIC PALISADES​

In advance of the fire, LADWP activated its emergency preparedness protocols and filled all available water storage facility tanks and reservoirs, including three 1-million-gallon tanks in Palisades area.​

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Water continues to flow in the Palisades area through our main system. The high winds severely limited air operations and the number of fire hoses deployed depleted our tanks in the area, which has affected hydrants at high elevations. We immediately implemented our contingency plan to provide water trucks to support our firefighters, and our crews are working on how to refill the tanks during this very active firestorm.​

​

We have deployed nineteen 2,000 – 4,000-gallon tanker trucks to further support firefighting efforts and are working right now with our water agency partners to increase water pressure to the area.​

​

We are also asking our customers in the Westside to conserve water to make sure we are ready as the winds and dry conditions continue.​

Yes, there are 3X1million gallons tanks. Too many hydrants were working at the same time.

 

[Lubener]

Asphault and shake roofing should be banned in that region. I once toured an area in the San Diego that was hit hard from wild fire many years ago. The homes with clay tile and metal roofing still stood strong. I would go one step farther and have river stone landscaping as well.

 

[Snagglefoot]

There are no bunch of them. They are on back order so much that if you order today, they would be delivered in 2030. Not sure whether SDFD still has CL415’s on lease from Canada. They usually lease them September-December during Santa Ana’s. I bet some will make their way there soon from Canada.
CalFire probably has best fleet in the US. I think they have 12 new SH-70 FireHawks.
But, this is beyond capabilities of just one region.
Also, 100mph gusts are really, really bad when you fly so close to terrain. They had to stop flying yesterday.
There is no man made solution here. They will have to figure out zoning there.

Here is an update on the DeHaviland CL 515 production plan.

 

[Donald]

You can also blame lawsuits that stop forest management from completing controlled burns and cutting down trees to prevent fires.

https://www.courthousenews.com/cons...g-trees-burning-land-in-two-california-parks/

You can also blame the state by diverting / wasting water to protect some tiny fish rather than using it towards fire prevention. Is this actually true? I don't know, there is a lot of talk about lopsided environmental rules protecting a 3" fish rather than saving water to protect humans.


Anyway, God bless those firefighters and those who lost their homes, hopefully they can find a place to live and rebuild quickly.

They interviewed a captain from the LA First Dept on PBS and he said he had all the water he needed to fight the fires. There seems to be a lot of rumors going around.

There are certainly water issues out west. Many states want to draw a lot of water from the Colorado River (I think). Much for agriculture.

But almost certainly climate change has caused many areas like Calif to be a lot drier than it use to be.

 

[4WD]

They interviewed a captain from the LA First Dept on PBS and he said he had all the water he needed to fight the fires. There seems to be a lot of rumors going around.

There are certainly water issues out west. Many states want to draw a lot of water from the Colorado River (I think). Much for agriculture.

But almost certainly climate change has caused many areas like Calif to be a lot drier than it use to be.

Posting on climate change gets threads locked here …

 

[andrew_j]

Genius move to cut firefighter funding in LA

I doubt it has any impact here as other departments fill in and forest fighting is different skill all together.

Makes good content for the CA hate topic.