P66 Victory 10w40 Diesel Aviation Oil used in CR diesel applications.

[CleverUserName]

This oil looks interesting and I was thinking of getting some to test in my VW TDI or Cruze Diesel.

Primarily because:

1. It’s a synthetic 10w40 which is unusual.
2. It has high ash%, and may be full SAPS as well.
3. Its made by P66 (I like their products)

Is there anything that would make this oil incompatible with road-going diesels? It has no API or any other certifications.

The Deltahawk is a mechanically injected, water-cooled 2 stroke diesel engine than can run on jet fuel, kerosene or Diesel #2. I can’t think of anything that would be incompatible however I’m not very familiar with the oil requirements of diesel engines in aircraft.

https://www.phillips66lubricants.com/product/victory-diesel-aviation-oil-10w-40/

 

[97prizm]

I had a Philips 66 rep come talk about oil at my EAA chapter many years ago. Is this oil specced for the diesel engines in the Diamond aircraft? Aircraft tend to have very different power usage than cars plus I don't think they have any type of DEF system vs vehicles. I don't know if the hdeo aircraft oil will have any issues with def or regen on vehicles as aircraft I'm fairly sure don't have any of that. I'd call Philips 66.

 

[53' Stude]

This oil looks interesting and I was thinking of getting some to test in my VW TDI or Cruze Diesel.

Primarily because:

1. It’s a synthetic 10w40 which is unusual.
2. It has high ash%, and may be full SAPS as well.
3. Its made by P66 (I like their products)

Is there anything that would make this oil incompatible with road-going diesels? It has no API or any other certifications.

The Deltahawk is a mechanically injected, water-cooled 2 stroke diesel engine than can run on jet fuel, kerosene or Diesel #2. I can’t think of anything that would be incompatible however I’m not very familiar with the oil requirements of diesel engines in aircraft.

https://www.phillips66lubricants.com/product/victory-diesel-aviation-oil-10w-40/

Definitely call P66 before using.

 

[fantastic]

Definitely call P66 before using.

Agree, I think the ash content is too high for a passenger car w/emissions system w/sensors.

 

[930.engineering]

Primarily because:

1. It’s a synthetic 10w40 which is unusual.
2. It has high ash%, and may be full SAPS as well.
3. Its made by P66 (I like their products)

Explain the "benefits" for use in car engines please.

Is there anything that would make this oil incompatible with road-going diesels? It has no API or any other certifications.

I think you have given answers to your own question.

https://www.phillips66lubricants.com/product/victory-diesel-aviation-oil-10w-40/

"specifically designed for air and liquid cooled compression ignition diesel type piston aviation engines"

Isn't it quite easy to understand?

I bet we have talked the same questions a hundred times.
.

 

[CleverUserName]

I had a Philips 66 rep come talk about oil at my EAA chapter many years ago. Is this oil specced for the diesel engines in the Diamond aircraft? Aircraft tend to have very different power usage than cars plus I don't think they have any type of DEF system vs vehicles. I don't know if the hdeo aircraft oil will have any issues with def or regen on vehicles as aircraft I'm fairly sure don't have any of that. I'd call Philips 66.

As I said in the OP, It’s oil made for the Deltahawk diesel engine which is kinda like a modern DD 2 stroke with turbocharging in a V4 configuration.

Agree, I think the ash content is too high for a passenger car w/emissions system w/sensors.

The Ash is actually lower than some of the synthetic CI-4+ Diesel oils made by Amsoil or HPL. Im not scared to run CI-4+ or A3/B4 and currently doing so as I type this.

Explain the "benefits" for use in car engines please.




I think you have given answers to your own question.




"specifically designed for air and liquid cooled compression ignition diesel type piston aviation engines"

Isn't it quite easy to understand?

I bet we have talked the same questions a hundred times.
.

Long drain interval and HD additive package similar to a CI-4+ or A3/B4 oil would have in a rare 10w40 synthetic. I imagine it’s also very shear resistant as it is in a 2 stroke diesel application.

I don’t see the usage pattern for this V4 being significantly different than any other DD 2 stroke diesel being operated in a high load, constant RPM duty cycle, nor would I expect P66 to pursue API certifications for diesel Aviation oil.

 

[fantastic]

The Ash is actually lower than some of the synthetic CI-4+ Diesel oils made by Amsoil or HPL. Im not scared to run CI-4+ or A3/B4 and currently doing so as I type this.

Assuming a Cruze diesel is spec'd for a Dexos oil, an old API CI-4 was not developed using a DPF in testing. Just putting this here for reference to others since you've already made up your mind.

 

[CleverUserName]

Assuming a Cruze diesel is spec'd for a Dexos oil, an old API CI-4 was not developed using a DPF in testing. Just putting this here for reference to others since you've already made up your mind.

I am aware, and not concerned as neither of my cars use any oil between oil changes.

The HPL 5w40 Wayne has been testing has a TBN of 15 and also has higher ash than CK-4 would allow for his L5P. The Ash % of HPL 5w40 must be similar to what CI-4+ or this Victory 10w40 is. He is under warranty and doesn’t seem concerned either.

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[Jetronic]

I ran a3/b4 oil in my giulietta diesel, the total quartz 9000 0w-30 exceeded the saps limits by about 10%, so 0.88 vs 0.8 but in return I got to have more zddp and slightly more calcium. also ran about 2 gallons of redline 20w-50 through it.

never had any issues with that engine or it's emissions systems. No oil use either.

 

[kschachn]

@MolaKule may have some input.

 

[MolaKule]

This oil looks interesting and I was thinking of getting some to test in my VW TDI or Cruze Diesel.

What testing protocol would you use?

Is there anything that would make this oil incompatible with road-going diesels? It has no API or any other certifications.

There's your answer in bold.

 

[facility1]

it may be best to use a oil and viscosity formulated for the specific engine type with the proper approvals, license dextos ,etc.

 

[Plumb Bob]

When Mola speaks, you listen.

 

[CleverUserName]

What testing protocol would you use?

There's your answer in bold.

When Mola speaks, you listen.

Thanks for the input.

Does the HPL HDEOs have any API certifications? I don’t see any language on their website indicating anything other than “suitable replacement for”. I also have a hard time understanding how their CK-4 oils can have a TBN of 15 and verifiably high additive levels and still meet the CK-4 ash limit of 1%.

I wouldn’t be afraid of using HPL oils either as they appear to make a good product just as P66 does, even without the certification and manufacturers approvals.

 

[MolaKule]

Does the HPL HDEOs have any API certifications? I don’t see any language on their website indicating anything other than “suitable replacement for”. I also have a hard time understanding how their CK-4 oils can have a TBN of 15 and verifiably high additive levels and still meet the CK-4 ash limit of 1%.

That's because HPL has excellent formulators that understand lubricant chemistry such that they can develop and blend oils that exceed API performance. API and other like groups only make specifications for minimum performance.

I wouldn’t be afraid of using HPL oils either as they appear to make a good product just as P66 does, even without the certification and manufacturers approvals.

Then you're sold?

 

[kschachn]

Thanks for the input.

Does the HPL HDEOs have any API certifications? I don’t see any language on their website indicating anything other than “suitable replacement for”. I also have a hard time understanding how their CK-4 oils can have a TBN of 15 and verifiably high additive levels and still meet the CK-4 ash limit of 1%.

I wouldn’t be afraid of using HPL oils either as they appear to make a good product just as P66 does, even without the certification and manufacturers approvals.

HPL also isn’t marketing or recommending an aviation oil for your application.

 

[53' Stude]

HPL also isn’t marketing or recommending an aviation oil for your application.

And on top of that aviation oils don’t have the proper diesel ratings.

 

[Jetronic]

And on top of that aviation oils don’t have the proper diesel ratings.

this one is for a diesel aviation engine though. not API certified was already covered.

 

[Duckless]

So consensus is that you shouldn't, but what did P66 say? I'm going to guess you will be told no as they wouldn't want the liability.. but maybe give it shot and get a VOA and some UOAs for the oil people.

 

[CleverUserName]

So consensus is that you shouldn't, but what did P66 say? I'm going to guess you will be told no as they wouldn't want the liability.. but maybe give it shot and get a VOA and some UOAs for the oil people.

I haven’t contacted P66 yet. I need to visit my local P66 distributor to find out what the minimum quantity I need to order this. If it’s a 55 gal drum I’m not going to waste my time.

And on top of that aviation oils don’t have the proper diesel ratings.

Aviation oils dont have any API ratings, nor would I expect them to. IC air cooled
engines burning AV gas have completely different duty cycles than road going IC light duty gasoline engines.

Aviation diesels (Deltahawk) are very similar to IC CR duty cycle and fuel except for being 2 stroke and under high load for short duration then light load constant rpm. This would be like a diesel truck towing a trailer up a hill then going into a level surface and cruising

I’m sure this VOA, if I decide to get one will have all the normal additives but with boosted concentrations. Since this is a P66 product it may have their titanium AF/AW as well.

HPL also isn’t marketing or recommending an aviation oil for your application.

Neither is P66. I’m asking why is it relevant that one oil is highly regarded here that has no API certifications and another oil isn’t and the reason is it has no API certifications. That is illogical.