That's debatable. From a performance standpoint, we don't know how much the JLR standard overlaps with the others on this label.This right here.
That's debatable. From a performance standpoint, we don't know how much the JLR standard overlaps with the others on this label.This right here.
It looks like it's just an evolution of Ford WSS M2C 925 A according to Motul:That's debatable. From a performance standpoint, we don't know how much the JLR standard overlaps with the others on this label.
Just to be clear the EQT has no manufacturer approvals unlike some of their products. You can ask Amsoil if it’s better or PM Pablo.One of the posts here said the MB229.71 spec is THE spec to beat.
The Amsoil "EQT" 0W-20 European Synthetic carries the MB229.71 and BMW LL-17FE+ spec.
Would that be better for my Jaguar than Amsoil's "EZT" 0W-20 European Synthetic that carries the VW 508.00/509.00 approval?
BTW, I love the depth of information here.. I recently checked with my Jag dealership again, and they still don't have quart bottles of 0W-20 Castrol Edge Professional E available, so I've got to find a great alternative, and I want to stick with Amsoil.
I also agree with everyone's posts about OCI's.. I'm never going to let my jag get to 16k for an oil change. Once I find a good alternative it will be 5k.
One of the posts here said the MB229.71 spec is THE spec to beat.
The Amsoil "EQT" 0W-20 European Synthetic carries the MB229.71 and BMW LL-17FE+ spec.
Would that be better for my Jaguar than Amsoil's "EZT" 0W-20 European Synthetic that carries the VW 508.00/509.00 approval?
BTW, I love the depth of information here.. I recently checked with my Jag dealership again, and they still don't have quart bottles of 0W-20 Castrol Edge Professional E available, so I've got to find a great alternative, and I want to stick with Amsoil.
I went ahead with the Amsoil EQT 0W20 in my Jag F-PACE S (Supercharged 3.0L). Used a genuine JLR filter (C2D3670) I think the engine sounds quieter. It's most noticeable at idle in the garage. I'm not talking about exhaust noise, just the general engine noise under the hood.My next oil change is coming up soon and still wondering if Amsoil AEQT 0W-20 synthetic with MB229.71 approval might be a good choice for my situation? My JLR 5.0 SC V8 has increased output (600hp) and is often used to tow a trailer. Oil change cost, marginal fuel efficiency gains and long OCIs aren't on my radar, only engine longevity and hopefully low Noack.
Which product has that approval?Amsoil is mostly off my radar but in the search for an oil with the highest levels of engine wear protection this is an interesting question.
Any thoughts on using EQT 0W-20 synthetic with MB229.71 approval in the JLR 5.0 V8?
My 2021 F Type is still under warranty and therefore gets yearly free oil & filter changes at the dealership. I had it in a few months ago for the annual service and while I was there I asked the parts department for a quart of the Castrol Edge Professional EC5 0W-20 oil which is the special formula that Castrol makes for Land Rover/Jaguar. What they had was Castrol Edge Professional 0W-20 oil that has a notation on the label that it meets VW/Porsche specifications.
From what I can tell, Castrol no longer makes the EC5 formula and I assume the bulk oil that the service department used was the standard Castrol Edge Professional synthetic. Castrol did not respond to my inquiry regarding availability of the EC5 formula which used to be only sold through JLR dealerships.
What I can say is that I had a Blackstone analysis done of the factory fill oil at around 2750 miles and it showed much lower levels of Moly than the universal averages and much higher levels of Titanium. Castrol makes a big deal about their Edge Professional oil containing "liquid Titanium" on the bottle labels. And apparently JLR feels the levels of Moly and Titanium should be what they were for their V8 supercharged engines.
I have requested a sample kit from Blackstone and am going to send in a sample of the VW/Porsche specification oil that I received from the JLR dealership for a virgin oil analysis. I will post the test results here on BITOG in the appropriate section.
If it has similar levels of Moly and Titanium as the original EC5 formula I'll sleep easily. If not, I'll have some concerns about what the dealership service department is putting in their customers vehicles.
From my exp Liqui Moly Spec Tech LR 0W20 works the best and reduces ticking when idling. I tried Motul and Raveniol but Liqui worked the best for me.I know there have been other discussions on the Jaguar specific oil (Castrol Edge Professional E) meeting the spec STJLR 51.5122, but I wanted to revitalize the discussion. I recently went to my local Jaguar dealership and they advised they are out of stock on that oil, and have been out of stock for a while, and they don't know when to expect more. So I'm searching for an alternative. I use Amsoil in all my other vehicles. The Amsoil "EZT" which is 0W-20 European is an ACEA C5 oil that seems to be comparable but doesn't say it meets the Jaguar / Land Rover spec. I also found the Redline 0W-20 which actually says it meets the STJLR 51.5122 spec. I'm not really interested in using some of the other brands that meet the spec like LiquiMoly (I just have no experience with that brand, and haven't heard much about it). I compared the product data sheets of all three of these oils (Redline, Amsoil, and Castrol) and they seem very comparable (attached). Although the Castrol does have some impressive numbers and seems like a great oil. Of course the additive packages aren't as easy to find and I don't really know what to look for.
The vehicle's engien is a Supercharged 3.0L V6, Direct Injection. The car is a daily driver in all weather. Outside Temps could be as low as -10 or -20F, but more normally something like the 20's and 30's, and as high as 95 to 105F in the summer.
I'm not super technical with this stuff like many people on BITOG are (hence the reason I'm posting)... so my interpretation is that the only benefit to the OE Recommended Castrol is that it has more flowability at VERY low temperatures, but may suffer a little at higher temperatures. Any other differences you experts can point out to me? Anyone see why I couldn't use the Amsoil 0W-20 European "EZT"?
My 2021 F Type is still under warranty and therefore gets yearly free oil & filter changes at the dealership. I had it in a few months ago for the annual service and while I was there I asked the parts department for a quart of the Castrol Edge Professional EC5 0W-20 oil which is the special formula that Castrol makes for Land Rover/Jaguar. What they had was Castrol Edge Professional 0W-20 oil that has a notation on the label that it meets VW/Porsche specifications.
From what I can tell, Castrol no longer makes the EC5 formula and I assume the bulk oil that the service department used was the standard Castrol Edge Professional synthetic. Castrol did not respond to my inquiry regarding availability of the EC5 formula which used to be only sold through JLR dealerships.
What I can say is that I had a Blackstone analysis done of the factory fill oil at around 2750 miles and it showed much lower levels of Moly than the universal averages and much higher levels of Titanium. Castrol makes a big deal about their Edge Professional oil containing "liquid Titanium" on the bottle labels. And apparently JLR feels the levels of Moly and Titanium should be what they were for their V8 supercharged engines.
I have requested a sample kit from Blackstone and am going to send in a sample of the VW/Porsche specification oil that I received from the JLR dealership for a virgin oil analysis. I will post the test results here on BITOG in the appropriate section.
If it has similar levels of Moly and Titanium as the original EC5 formula I'll sleep easily. If not, I'll have some concerns about what the dealership service department is putting in their customers vehicles.
Hi Goakhan, thank you for this information! Just wanted to check in with you now a couple years later and see if anything has changed or if this would still be your top recommendation for the 5.0 v8 aj133This is a no-brainer. You should use the Valvoline European-Vehicle Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20. It has the Jaguar STJLR.51.5122 approval, has a modern Ca–Mg mixed detergent (API SN PLUS or higher) for protection against LSPI, is thicker than a SAE 5W-30 (base-oil viscosity HTFS = 2.4 cP), has very little VII (1.5%) for virtually no plastic deposits, and is sold affordably at Amazon.
Gokhan's base-oil viscosity (HTFS) and VII content table
Ohh yea I see that now. I know you’ve responded to some of my posts, did you have a specific recommendation for the best oil for this engine?Gokhan hasn’t posted in a while. I’d also take some of his calculations and especially the rankings with a grain of salt.
Don't swap out that air filter too often, you'll do more harm than good.am very diligent in my OCI's. And I'm very intentional about other maintenance (air filters, clean MAF's, clean TB, tire air pressure, BG44 in the tank every year, etc.) My vehicles all have fairly low mileage and they get changed at 10k or 1 year whichever comes first. Most of my vehicles only get about 5k to 9k miles per year so the OCI is usually at the 1 year mark.
That’s a good testimonial. Perhaps you should send it in.Just a quick update to keep the thread alive. It's been about a year and I changed my Amsoil 0W-20 "EQT" on my F-Pace S (3.0L Supercharged) everything looked great. I didn't collect any to send in for analysis... Sorry to the purists here... But it hasn't used a drop of oil and everything seems great.... Car runs smooth, seems quieter in the engine compartment, and it gets great gas "city" mileage for a grocery get'r (21.5 avg) with very little highway miles. Turns out, I haven't driven the car much in a year... Only about 3000 miles. But I changed the oil anyway. I went ahead and re-ordered Amsoil European 0W-20 "EQT" and a genuine Jaguar filter. Call it what you want but the butt dyno and peace of mind will keep me coming back for this oil until proven otherwise. In fact, because I was impressed with the difference, I also recently used Amsoil European 5W-40 in my 2018 Mercedes C63S AMG (4.0L V8 twin turbo). That oil says it's for use in the MB 229.5 spec (which the manual specifies) and it was even on MB's own website as an approved oil until a couple years ago... I guess someone stopped paying for the MB certification... But I went ahead anyway. Same results... Smother, less engine bay noise, and some mental comfort / confirmation bias.
If you have a European vehicle I wouldn't hesitate using Amsoil.