Originally Posted By: BeerCan
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Originally Posted By: BeerCan
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
No. And you're already 1400 miles late.
The main objective in initial oil changes on a new vehicle (engine) is to facilitate the removal of harmful manufacturing and break-in debris for those interested in long engine life.
Mr. Jim Fitch, founder of Noria Corp. has authored a book "How to select an Oil and Filter for your Car or Truck" The above statement is from page 43. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=How+to+select+an+oil+and+filter+for+your+car+or+truck
Table 13 on this same page Mr. Fitch outlines his RECOMMENDATIONS for the first few oil changes: 1st oil change within 100 miles of taking possession of the vehicle; 2nd oil change 1500 miles after 1st change, 3rd oil change 3K miles after 2nd, 4th and beyond at normal intervals. Go synthetic at 4th change.
If you've never heard of Mr. Fitch or Noria; I would suggest a cursory google search; his credentials are quite impressive in the world of lubricants. His book I referenced was written way back in 2003.
Jim Fitch is the CEO and a co-founder of Noria Corporation. He has a wealth of “in the trenches” experience in lubrication, oil analysis, tribology and machinery failure investigations. Over the past two decades, Jim has presented hundreds of courses on these subjects and has published more than 200 technical articles, papers and publications. He serves as a U.S. delegate to the ISO tribology and oil analysis working group, and has been awarded numerous patents. Since 2002, Jim has also been director and board member of the International Council for Machinery Lubrication. Among his specializations are motor oil and Engine Lubrication.
I mean no "slam" to anyone on this board, there are some quite knowledgeable people on here who are experts in their fields; but I would rank Mr. Fitch right up there and take his advice over most anyone on this board.
Nevertheless, it is your vehicle and you are the one who must sleep at night with your decision. Hope you enjoy your new vehicle.
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That book would be great if we were living in 2004. Oil formulations and machinery techniques have come a long way in 13 years. Rendering much of the information stale.
Oil formulations have only changed one category, from SM to SN. Machinery Techniques have done what? I stated my source and his credentials. Without links, sourced information or other evidence, your unfounded opinion is just that; your unfounded opinion. The information provided by Mr. Fitch is as pertinent today as it was when written; unless you can show empirical evidence that manufacturing debris is no longer part of the manufacturing process.
Watch the milling machines that cut the deck height; watch the robot pour the sand out; theres no debris of any kind in the oil galleries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr4_B9EXWSo This video is two years old and is a copy of another Youtube video five years old. I see no new techniques.
What say you? Substantiate your opinion and state your credentials? Disagree with Mr. Fitch if you can do so on an educated and researched level; otherwise, your opinion is as valuable as toilet paper.
N/M I had a big post here dissecting your reply showing the logic flaws in your argument. I have decided that you are just another internet tool that goes around getting all butt hurt when someone does not agree with you.
Just a factual point. Oil went from SL to SN since this book was researched/published and SJ was probably still relevant.
Thank you sir. let's talk facts. Current oil categories per API have obviously changed (however slight), but engine manufacturing techniques which
GENERATE DEBRIS have changed how? It appears that you have pointed out the obvious (oil categories updating) and ignored the obvious
(engine manufacturing techniques) Would you care to now instruct the class on the other side of the equation?
Please state and provide links, sources, or video data (something a little more substantial than your opinion)? As to how "Modern engine manufacturing techniques" have so radically changed from 2003 to 2016 that there is no leftover debris in the engine?
Here's a refresher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr4_B9EXWSo This is why Mr. Jim Fitch recommends FF oil changes as outlined above. Please keep your response factual. Thank you.
Edit: FYI, the youtube video is two (2) years old.