Oil Filter Choice for December 2018

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Background: I always run my Fram Ultra filter for 10K mi and do an oc every 5K miles.
Verified that a Fram Ultra @10K mi performed to specification (99%@20 micron) via Blackstone particle test.

I live in the Northeast and usually change the oil near the end of December and then again in mid-April. The reason is that the cold winters usually drop the oil's flash point by 20 to 35F with some measurable Blackstone uoa fuel dilution but not DI engine level significant.

The question is which filter to choose in December:
A) Toyota OEM filter and then in April switch back to the Fram Ultra filter.
B) Fram Ultra filter and then drain/refill in April


Which scenario A or B ?

I like B despite the 1qt of dirty winter engine oil.
 
I am an OE filter guy. I haven't been using OE filters as often lately but I'll promote using OE filters. If not available I'd opt for a Mobil 1 filter.
 
I'd do B. How many miles would be on the oil in April? I'm sure you could easily extend the OCI until Memorial day if the mileage is the too bad or are you concerned about fuel dilution from the winter months?
 
You will never notice a difference between the filters for the life of the engine.
 
Originally Posted By: JC1
I'd do B. How many miles would be on the oil in April? I'm sure you could easily extend the OCI until Memorial day if the mileage is the too bad or are you concerned about fuel dilution from the winter months?


How many miles would be on the oil in April?

From Dec 2018 to April 2019: 5K mi. The next oil and filter change would be early July.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
You will never notice a difference between the filters for the life of the engine.


This ^^^^^^^^^^

I just changed the oil in my new Toyota. I put on a Fram. (Plain orange with the black wrinkle paint on the end). Neither me or the engine is ever going to know the difference.
 
I like A because it’s similar to my regime. Fresh oil and filter Dec 1, Fresh oil and filter at the end of the March. That’s it for the cold weather starts. At the beginning of the summer towing season in June I’ll do a dump and fill, keeping the filter on, and another dump N fill at the end of towing season in Sept. Repeat. Three oil changes per year. If I did fewer than I’d get restless.
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How about Blackstone particle tests on the OE?

It seems like a lot of money, to me, on tests though. The Ultra at $9 is $4-5 more than an OE, why not forget testing, save money, and change it every 5K?
 
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
How about Blackstone particle tests on the OE?

It seems like a lot of money, to me, on tests though. The Ultra at $9 is $4-5 more than an OE, why not forget testing, save money, and change it every 5K?



I never ran the particle test on the Toyota OE. Is there a posts out there?
 
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
I like A because it’s similar to my regime. Fresh oil and filter Dec 1, Fresh oil and filter at the end of the March. That’s it for the cold weather starts. At the beginning of the summer towing season in June I’ll do a dump and fill, keeping the filter on, and another dump N fill at the end of towing season in Sept. Repeat. Three oil changes per year. If I did fewer than I’d get restless.
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I think u are suggesting the following:
each change is approx 5K miles.

Scenario A:

end of Dec 2018: Toyota OE filter + oil
end of Apr 2019: Fram Ultra + oil
end of Aug 2019: oil
end of Dec 2019: Toyota OE filter + oil
 
Plan B, as you should always use a Fram Ultra, and its good up to 20,000 miles anyway. It's got plenty of margin for smaller 10,000 mile intervals here.
Logically, since the Fram Ultra outperforms the OE oil filter, one should use it.
If someone on this thread "likes" the OEM oil filter, please tell why. You can't just say "I'm an OEM oil filter guy." There needs to be a rational reason why you want to use an inferior oil filter.
 
Amsoil EAO/EAK series depending on what's available for your engine. Great flow characteristics and excellent filtration. Rated for the long haul as well.
 
Originally Posted by Patrick0525
Originally Posted by goodtimes
How about Blackstone particle tests on the OE?

It seems like a lot of money, to me, on tests though. The Ultra at $9 is $4-5 more than an OE, why not forget testing, save money, and change it every 5K?



I never ran the particle test on the Toyota OE. Is there a posts out there?



Don't think so, that's why it would be nice to see.
 
Toyota has horrible filtration with something like 50% efficiency of particles at 20 micron. They are more concerned with flow than filtration because they have done testing and concluded that their engines don't make as many particles in the 20 micron and smaller range so absolute filtration isn't as important as an abundance of oil. Some of this information was confirmed with Terry, some of it I have read about.

I use Amsoil's filter not based on the graphic below but because I want better filtration than the OE filter in case Toyota is wrong about the need.

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Originally Posted by Patrick0525
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
I like A because it’s similar to my regime. Fresh oil and filter Dec 1, Fresh oil and filter at the end of the March. That’s it for the cold weather starts. At the beginning of the summer towing season in June I’ll do a dump and fill, keeping the filter on, and another dump N fill at the end of towing season in Sept. Repeat. Three oil changes per year. If I did fewer than I’d get restless.
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I think u are suggesting the following:
each change is approx 5K miles.

Scenario A:

end of Dec 2018: Toyota OE filter + oil
end of Apr 2019: Fram Ultra + oil
end of Aug 2019: oil
end of Dec 2019: Toyota OE filter + oil


Yes, that’s pretty much it when expressed with your needs.
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There was a Blackstone particle count test from someone here comparing two filters in the same vehicle, a Fram Ultra and a no name filter. The no name won, not by a little.
This is why it would be nice to see particle count tests from vehicles and not make up stories about Toyota wants more flow etc.. The flow is the same, oil pump not filter dependent. Yet the false idea will continue there is no doubt about it.
 
Originally Posted by StevieC
Toyota has horrible filtration with something like 50% efficiency of particles at 20 micron. They are more concerned with flow than filtration because they have done testing and concluded that their engines don't make as many particles in the 20 micron and smaller range so absolute filtration isn't as important as an abundance of oil. Some of this information was confirmed with Terry, some of it I have read about.

I use Amsoil's filter not based on the graphic below but because I want better filtration than the OE filter in case Toyota is wrong about the need.

"horrible filtration" and yet I just got to 400,000 miles on my old Sienna using the Toyota OEM filters almost exclusively since new. Same on my ECHO, and Honda OEM filters on the Accord. No abnormal consumption on any of them, how did I manage?

I mean really, people need to explain this if oil filtration efficiency is so vitally important to engine longevity. I just did a leakdown test on my Honda and it was actually pretty good.
 
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