Toyota filter 2k on HPL 30 EC

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This is a cartridge system and the 2GR-FE engine capacity is 6.4qts. Fuel cleaner BG 44k 11oz was added and consumed prior to this oc.

The OCI was 3k mi but removed 1qt, prior to adding 1qt of hpl 30ec which was in for 90 days and 2k. This is the HPL’s conservative recommendation. No uoa will be done. No carbon like particles observed or found in the filter. The oil color was reddish brown, no grit to the touch and no smell of fuel dilution. The out was shell 0w-20 + hpl 30ec with a Toyota and the in was hpl euro 5w-30 with a Toyota oil filter.

Since it was new, an oil change was done every 5K and Fram Ultra every 10K. The exception is this switch over to hpl oils. Using a Fram Ultra would have been a waste of an excellent filter.

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I think your efforts of maintaining a spotless engine was achieved. Thanks for sharing.
 
I think your efforts of maintaining a spotless engine was achieved. Thanks for sharing.
Thank u for the compliment. My goal is costs, time and completeness. I am not willing to drive 30 minutes round trip and wait an hour at the dealer for an OC when I can open my Fumoto valve, finish having breakfast and swap out the filter housing in a hour. Do u really think the dealer technician will take the time to pre-fill ur oil filter?

Oil change tool Pic: a pre-filled filter and filter housing, U-shape filter housing cap, Motive tools no-spill funnel (screws into engine), Motive tools filter housing drain tool,
3/8 socket wrench with extension and 3/8 torque wrench for tightening the filter housing to 177 in-lbs.

PP (6qts) after rebate is $30 per OCI not including the filter or $60 @10k. HPL euro 5w-30 after the July 4th promo is $68 @10k but u probably need some make-up oil. HPL is something to try when discounted and u are willing to go 10k.

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PP (6qts) after rebate is $15 OCI not including the filter or $30 @10k. HPL euro 5w-30 with the July 4th promo is $68 @10k and u probably still need some make-up oil. HPL is 2X the costs but something to try when discounted and u willing to go 10k. Hopefully it will clean up the piston rings.


Bottom line for a 10k OCI:
PP regular price vs HPL 25%off -> HPL(no shipping costs)
PP rebate (buy 2jugs get $25back) vs HPL 25% off -> PP
 
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I recommend running the HPL EC 30 for a full oil service interval. Because this is a slow cleaner, you'll get a better ROI running it to 5-10k and of course swapping the filter once or twice to inspect for loading. I posted 2 filter cut open threads of me running EC30 only to see it to capture small carbon chunks where as the previous filter from non HPL oils didn't leave any visible debris at the bottom of the can.
 
Prefilling is frowned upon by many manufacturers.
You are possibly putting contaminants after the filter.
This from the guy who prefilled for years ( I don't now)
 
Prefilling is frowned upon by many manufacturers.
You are possibly putting contaminants after the filter.
This from the guy who prefilled for years ( I don't now)

I disagree, in the heavy duty segment, Cummins/Fleetguard in the filter install instructions regardless of the size of the filter shows prefilling the clean side threaded hole and lubing the gasket prior to installation.

There has been recent demonstration showing prefilling does less wear on startup compared to a dry filter by some tribologist at youtube we pretty much all know here.

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I disagree, in the heavy duty segment, Cummins/Fleetguard in the filter install instructions regardless of the size of the filter shows prefilling the clean side threaded hole and lubing the gasket prior to installation.

There has been recent demonstration showing prefilling does less wear on startup compared to a dry filter by some tribologist at youtube we pretty much all know here.

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On the cartridge system, I pre-fill the filter housing through the center tube with lab tested VOA HPL Euro 5W-30. Yes, it is contaminated with wear metals: Fe 1ppm and Al 2ppm. I did not do a particle count test.

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No, it is a 2014 Toyotas Venza V6. Currently, it has 120820 mi. The latest uoa is in the above pic as sample #1 at 117892 mi.
Ah, thanks for that. I suppose a 10 yr old auto has some gray hair. Your Toyota is clean inside based on your filter pic. Nice work.
 
Ah, thanks for that. I suppose a 10 yr old auto has some gray hair. Your Toyota is clean inside based on your filter pic. Nice work.
Thanks, there is only 2k on the filter. Contingent on whether ur engine is a known “sludge” machine and ur oil maintenance habits. I could have went directly to hpl and a Fram endurance/ultra filter. Since it was new I have doing 5K oc and 10k old school Fram ultra. Then again this 2GR-FE is port injection and is very easy on the oil. My recently acquired 21 RX350 (17.1K mi) 2GR-FKS with D4S (direct & port injection) maybe a different story. The brilliant engineers reduced the spark plug interval from 120k to 60k by 50% because of direct injection. Not only that they added a camshaft driven vacuum and high pressure fuel pump.
Totally unnecessary and complicates replacement. Increases overall costs for minimal gain in my opinion. The last made 2GR-FE is about 7 yrs old across the Lexus/Toyota line.

You would think I would be ecstatic and grateful about a uoa report that has a total of 6ppm wear metals during a 4.5K mi interval. Lol.

Sorry about the rant.
I have some very choice words for them.
 
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I disagree, in the heavy duty segment, Cummins/Fleetguard in the filter install instructions regardless of the size of the filter shows prefilling the clean side threaded hole and lubing the gasket prior to installation.

There has been recent demonstration showing prefilling does less wear on startup compared to a dry filter by some tribologist at youtube we pretty much all know here.

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By the way, here is a Supertech VOA with a particle count measurement that should dispel the hypothetical that pre-filling a filter increases the risk of contamination from foreign particles. There are “ZERO” particles >21 microns despite the fact that there are iron, aluminum, lead, tin, silicon wear metals present in the oil formulation.

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I did a 14k particle measurement using the same Fram Ultra but doing oil changes at 5K and 10k. (Drain snd fill) The Ultra did great filtering any >21 microns.

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By the way, here is a Supertech VOA with a particle count measurement that should dispel the hypothetical that pre-filling a filter increases the risk of contamination from foreign particles. There are “ZERO” particles >21 microns despite the fact that there are iron, aluminum, lead, tin, silicon wear metals present in the oil formulation.

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SuperTech VOA
That new oil was actually pretty dirty compared to what the PC limits should be for new oil. This is the VOA PC report info section on a Wear Check oil analysis report. The ISO 4406 code should be 19/17/14 or better.

The SuperTech >6u and below were much more than the limits shown below. The >4u should be less than 5000 to be "clean". The SuperTech was ISO code 23/21/14 ... about the same ISO 4406 code as your used oil. That said, pre-filling with that clean oil still isn't going to be any worse then the used oil in the filter.

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SuperTech 15W-40 VOA Particle Count.
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This is a cartridge system and the 2GR-FE engine capacity is 6.4qts. Fuel cleaner BG 44k 11oz was added and consumed prior to this oc.

The OCI was 3k mi but removed 1qt, prior to adding 1qt of hpl 30ec which was in for 90 days and 2k. This is the HPL’s conservative recommendation. No uoa will be done. No carbon like particles observed or found in the filter. The oil color was reddish brown, no grit to the touch and no smell of fuel dilution. The out was shell 0w-20 + hpl 30ec with a Toyota and the in was hpl euro 5w-30 with a Toyota oil filter.

Since it was new, an oil change was done every 5K and Fram Ultra every 10K. The exception is this switch over to hpl oils. Using a Fram Ultra would have been a waste of an excellent filter.

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Nice work sir. Thank You

I bet if you used any of the HPL oils they all would do great.
 
If one really wanted to prefill, it could be done on the outside/dirty side of the filter. Although the number of service places & quickie lubes prefilling is pretty close to ZERO percent-engines aren’t grenading, so it’s not a big deal (big diesels excluded).
 
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