Oil and Fuel Recomendations for 2018 VW Golf R

I wish VW wasn't such a cheapskate and gave the US market the dual DI/PI injection system. I know pricing is competitive in their market segment but come on.
 
Yes, this would be good for sure. Just need to factor in $3-400 walnut blast service sometime in the first 100K is really all and just consider it a normal maintenance item.
 
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Tried and true VW 502.00 5W40 such as Castrol or Liquimoly will be just fine. The fuel has little to do with DI issues surrounding carbon build-up, that's more related to the oil and it's ability to not break down/evaporate.
If someone gave me Castrol 5W40, I would take it and sell it for few buck, and got anything else 502.00.
Why?
Bcs. it is unremarkable product in every aspect compared, well to pretty much anything. It is Castrol's cheaper variant for the US market, and it does not meet MB229.5. Next to Castrol 0W40, not sure why would you use it.
 
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Tried and true VW 502.00 5W40 such as Castrol or Liquimoly will be just fine. The fuel has little to do with DI issues surrounding carbon build-up, that's more related to the oil and it's ability to not break down/evaporate.
If someone gave me Castrol 5W40, I would take it and sell it for few buck, and got anything else 502.00.
Why?
Bcs. it is unremarkable product in every aspect compared, well to pretty much anything. It is Castrol's cheaper variant for the US market, and it does not meet MB229.5. Next to Castrol 0W40, not sure why would you use it.
I took at look at both the PDS for 5w40 and 0w40. You're right that only the 0w40 has the MB 229.5 but is it much different from the 229.3 (which both have)? Other than that, they both meet the same approvals. I found this from another forum:
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MB sheet 229.3 approved oils for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, current minimum spec for 1998+ MB engines, min. 1.0% fuel saving compared to 229.1, based on ACEA A3 B4. For gas engine of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).
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MB sheet 229.5 approved oils; "MB Longlife Service Oils" for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain intervals beyond 229.3 oils, to 30,000 km, min 1.8% fuel saving, first oils introduced summer 2002. ACEA A3 B4. For gas engines of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters). 229.5 engine oils must be used with fleece oil filter designed for use with 229.5 engine oils.
 
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I took at look at both the PDS for 5w40 and 0w40. You're right that only the 0w40 has the MB 229.5 but is it much different from the 229.3 (which both have)? Other than that, they both meet the same approvals. I found this from another forum:
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MB sheet 229.3 approved oils for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, current minimum spec for 1998+ MB engines, min. 1.0% fuel saving compared to 229.1, based on ACEA A3 B4. For gas engine of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).
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MB sheet 229.5 approved oils; "MB Longlife Service Oils" for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain intervals beyond 229.3 oils, to 30,000 km, min 1.8% fuel saving, first oils introduced summer 2002. ACEA A3 B4. For gas engines of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters). 229.5 engine oils must be used with fleece oil filter designed for use with 229.5 engine oils.
MB 229.5 has NOACK limit at 10%, MB229.3 has it at 13%. NOACK limit is pretty important when it comes to CBU. You can also compare it here: https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html But, regardless how "more" stringent is MB229.5 over 229.3, even is it is just a little bit, both are same price in Wal Mart, so why not getting better oil? Or Mobil1 0W40 FS?
 
Originally Posted by jakeyjohn1
I think I have narrowed my choices down to Castrol 0W40 A3/B4 and Mobil 1 ESP 5W30. I'm still looking for an oil that has: dexos1gen2 MB 229.5 Porsche A40 BMW LL-01 VW 502 00 But I'm starting to think dexos1gen2 contradicts the others? Are these sequences published publicly? I can't find them, just lists of certified oils. Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 has what I think are the equivalent mid-SAPS versions of all the above (please correct me if that's a bad way of thinking about these): dexos2 MB 229.51 Porsche C30 BMW LL-04 VW 504 00 Is the dexos2 specification giving me more benefit (in terms of wear and engine longevity) than the high-SAPS versions of the others specs? Would either dexos specification be relevant in a 2L turbo DI engine with some reports of misfires on cold starts?
Personally I'd skip the catch can, use good oil with low saps and low NOACK and top tier gas and the put the catch can money back for carbon cleaning if it's ever needed. https://www.ravenolamerica.com/moto...il-ravenol-rup-racing-ultra-performance/
 
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That Lubrizol website is pretty cool. So if I'm understand it correctly, if I were to input all the approvals on the oil bottle, the outline shape is what the oil provides. I thought the VW 502.00 approval was strict, but it pales in comparison to the MB 229.5 and 229.51 approval.
 
Originally Posted by BurntMusic
That Lubrizol website is pretty cool. So if I'm understand it correctly, if I were to input all the approvals on the oil bottle, the outline shape is what the oil provides. I thought the VW 502.00 approval was strict, but it pales in comparison to the MB 229.5 and 229.51 approval.
Well they're not really comparable, the 229.51 equivalent is VW 504
 
Originally Posted by BurntMusic
That Lubrizol website is pretty cool. So if I'm understand it correctly, if I were to input all the approvals on the oil bottle, the outline shape is what the oil provides. I thought the VW 502.00 approval was strict, but it pales in comparison to the MB 229.5 and 229.51 approval.
The tool is only good for comparing specs within the same OEM (ex, VW 502 vs 504).
 
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
Originally Posted by oliveoil
Read and follow the manual.
Well for the 2019 R it would be a 508 oil....0W20? shocked
The R is not the same engine--it specs a 502 or 504 oil. I have the GTI version of this engine, (06), as well as a 1.8T. Personally I'm going with a 504/507 oil in the hopes that it may delay the inevitable valve cleaning a bit. The oil has held up perfectly well over 6K intervals while tuned. With the added fuel from the tune, I'm not going to go much longer anyway. I think a catch can is a waste on this car for a daily driven car. The stock oil separator works well, and most folks who've installed them seem to notice no difference. Yeah, one could installed MPI on the car, but unless you're doing a turbo upgrade I don't really see the ROI. My GTI is at 60K and has no driveability issues. I'll probably do a cleaning at 80K. Realistically, that means I'll have to do a valve cleaning once in this car's life. I just don't see that as being a big deal.
 
Originally Posted by BurntMusic
That Lubrizol website is pretty cool. So if I'm understand it correctly, if I were to input all the approvals on the oil bottle, the outline shape is what the oil provides. I thought the VW 502.00 approval was strict, but it pales in comparison to the MB 229.5 and 229.51 approval.
There should be a note at the bottom of the web tool that states "NOTE: These performance charts are primarily designed to demonstrate relative performances within the same industry specification..." I interpret this to mean only specifications within the same pull-down menu are rated on the same number scale. You can see they separated VW specs into two separate pull down menus, I think that is because the specs in those different menus are rated on different scales.
 
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
UOAs for 2018 GOLF R
Thanks for sharing! Here is mine from the first year of owner ship; Currently have the new M1 ESP 5W30 in it. Interesting how the most recent fill held up more like the second fill with 1000 fewer miles on it.
Code
Car	        2018 VW Golf R
OIL             Mobile 1 ESP Formula 5W30   	                                Factory Fill
MILES IN USE    3398	        3623	        3024	        2461	                428   
MILES           14253	        9536	        5913	        2889	                428
SAMPLE TAKEN    5/4/19	        11/13/18        9/9/18          7/25/18                 5/4/18  

IRON		6		7		9		14			14
COPPER		3		5		7		18			32
LEAD		0		1		3		1			2
ALUMINUM	0		1		1		2			5
TIN 		0               0		0		0			0
NICKEL	        0		0		0		0			0
CHROMIUM 	0		0		0		0			0
TITANIUM 	0		0		0		0			0
VANADIUM 	0		0		0		0			0
SILVER 		0		0		0		0			0
SILICON 	3		2		4		10			38
BORON 		178		148		161		216			547
CALCIUM 	1336	        1106	        1116	        1266		        1844
MAGNESIUM 	21		6		6		7			13
PHOSPHORUS      729		701		716		760			894
ZINC 		866		845		840		917			994
BARIUM		0		0		0		0			0
MOLYBDENUM      75		79		78		78			0
SODIUM 		3		1		3		2			4
POTASSIUM	0		0		0		0			6

VISCOSITY @40C  69.4	        70.3	        68.7	        67.6		        57.4
VISCOSITY @100C 11.7	        11.6	        11.5	        11.5		        11.7
VISCOSITY INDEX 165		160		162		165			202
BASE NUMBER     2.71	        1.45	        1.65	        2.58		        5.93
ACID NUMBER	1.60	        1.17	        1.38	        1.36		        1.14
     
WATER ppm 	536		295		631		454			444
FUEL DILUTION % 0.4		0.2		0.4		0.4			0
 
Originally Posted by jakeyjohn1
Originally Posted by BurntMusic
That Lubrizol website is pretty cool. So if I'm understand it correctly, if I were to input all the approvals on the oil bottle, the outline shape is what the oil provides. I thought the VW 502.00 approval was strict, but it pales in comparison to the MB 229.5 and 229.51 approval.
There should be a note at the bottom of the web tool that states "NOTE: These performance charts are primarily designed to demonstrate relative performances within the same industry specification..." I interpret this to mean only specifications within the same pull-down menu are rated on the same number scale. You can see they separated VW specs into two separate pull down menus, I think that is because the specs in those different menus are rated on different scales.
Ah got it. In that case, it looks like the VW 504.00 takes the cake then.
 
Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
Originally Posted by oliveoil
Read and follow the manual.
Well for the 2019 R it would be a 508 oil....0W20? shocked
The R is not the same engine--it specs a 502 or 504 oil.
I am not sure what you mean. All I was saying is the that owners manual for the MY 2019 R lists the 508 specification.
 
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
Originally Posted by oliveoil
Read and follow the manual.
Well for the 2019 R it would be a 508 oil....0W20? shocked
The R is not the same engine--it specs a 502 or 504 oil.
I am not sure what you mean. All I was saying is the that owners manual for the MY 2019 R lists the 508 specification.
What does the sticker in the engine bay of your 2019 Golf R say? for pictures of others' stickers see this vwvortex thread: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?9312597-Golf-R-oil-weight
 
Originally Posted by jakeyjohn1
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
I am not sure what you mean. All I was saying is the that owners manual for the MY 2019 R lists the 508 specification.
What does the sticker in the engine bay of your 2019 Golf R say?
It is not my car. Yes the sticker shows 504 0W30 but the owner's manual specifies 6 quarts of a 508 oil. And according to the owner, the dealer website per VIN and engine code 'spits' out the recommendation of the 508 Castrol Edge Professional 0W20.
 
Weird. Hearsay has it that VW 508 specifies HTHS > 2.7, much lower than 504 or 502 at HTHS > 3.5
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
... Audi says 508 (HTHS 2.7) is going overboard.
 
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Originally Posted by 21Rouge
Originally Posted by jakeyjohn1
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
I am not sure what you mean. All I was saying is the that owners manual for the MY 2019 R lists the 508 specification.
What does the sticker in the engine bay of your 2019 Golf R say?
It is not my car. Yes the sticker shows 504 0W30 but the owner's manual specifies 6 quarts of a 508 oil. And according to the owner, the dealer website per VIN and engine code 'spits' out the recommendation of the 508 Castrol Edge Professional 0W20.
No, it does not say that. Either the VIN was entered incorrectly or he/she just didn't read the manual. This is direct from the 2019 Golf R manual: Engine oil specifications Read and follow the introductory information and safety information first⇒Introduction to the subject†The engine oil used must conform to exact specifications. "Using the proper engine oil is important for the functionality and service life of the engine. Your engine was factory-filled with a high-quality multi-grade oil which can usually be used throughout the entire year. Engine oils are constantly being improved. Authorized Volkswagen dealers and authorized Volkswagen Service Facilities are always up-to-date regarding new developments and changes. Volkswagen therefore recommends that you have the engine oil changed by an authorized Volkswagen dealer or an authorized Volkswagen Service Facility. Engine oil quality is based not only on requirements for engines and exhaust treatment systems, but also on fuel quality. Engine oil comes into contact with fuel and fuel residue in all internal combustion engines, causing engine oil to age and its lubricating qualities to deteriorate. Always use an approved oil that expressly complies with the Volkswagen oil quality standard that applies to your vehicle's engine. Approved engine oil Engines Engine oil specification Viscosity grade 1.4 L gasoline engines (Golf) VW 508 00 SAE 0W-20 2.0 L gasoline engines (Golf GTI) VW 508 00 SAE 0W-20 2.0 L gasoline engines (Golf R) VW 502 00 VW 504 00 SAE 5W-30 SAE 5W-40
 
Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
Originally Posted by jakeyjohn1
Originally Posted by 21Rouge
I am not sure what you mean. All I was saying is the that owners manual for the MY 2019 R lists the 508 specification.
What does the sticker in the engine bay of your 2019 Golf R say?
It is not my car. Yes the sticker shows 504 0W30 but the owner's manual specifies 6 quarts of a 508 oil. And according to the owner, the dealer website per VIN and engine code 'spits' out the recommendation of the 508 Castrol Edge Professional 0W20.
No, it does not say that. Either the VIN was entered incorrectly or he/she just didn't read the manual. This is direct from the 2019 Golf R manual: Engine oil specifications Read and follow the introductory information and safety information first⇒Introduction to the subject†The engine oil used must conform to exact specifications. "Using the proper engine oil is important for the functionality and service life of the engine. Your engine was factory-filled with a high-quality multi-grade oil which can usually be used throughout the entire year. Engine oils are constantly being improved. Authorized Volkswagen dealers and authorized Volkswagen Service Facilities are always up-to-date regarding new developments and changes. Volkswagen therefore recommends that you have the engine oil changed by an authorized Volkswagen dealer or an authorized Volkswagen Service Facility. Engine oil quality is based not only on requirements for engines and exhaust treatment systems, but also on fuel quality. Engine oil comes into contact with fuel and fuel residue in all internal combustion engines, causing engine oil to age and its lubricating qualities to deteriorate. Always use an approved oil that expressly complies with the Volkswagen oil quality standard that applies to your vehicle's engine. Approved engine oil Engines Engine oil specification Viscosity grade 1.4 L gasoline engines (Golf) VW 508 00 SAE 0W-20 2.0 L gasoline engines (Golf GTI) VW 508 00 SAE 0W-20 2.0 L gasoline engines (Golf R) VW 502 00 VW 504 00 SAE 5W-30 SAE 5W-40
VW, unsuccessfully trying to recommend proper oil for American customers since 1997.
 
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