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Just a reminder forks kill more people than guns!
Same observation to those who go to Europe and eat well, drink wine/beer everyday and lose weight. Also gluten intolerance often is gone. In Portugal we ate all the local cuisine and lost weight over 3 weeks.
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We're not even in the top 10.
Top Fat Consuming Countries In The World
| 1 | Belgium | 95.00 |
| 2 | Germany | 86.50 |
| 3 | Finland | 80.80 |
| 4 | Netherlands | 80.40 |
| 5 | Sweden | 80.30 |
| 6 | Saudi Arabia | 79.00 |
| 7 | Spain | 78.40 |
| 8 | Malaysia | 78.30 |
| 9 | France | 74.20 |
| 10 | Switzerland | 73.6 |
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"The countries listed above do not have a population suffering from weight problems because they are not indulging in as many processed foods."
I'm sure you're right. But I can't help but wonder what their percentage rate is for coronary bypass surgery compared to ours?
I believe that you've hit the nail on the head. I think another contributing factor is portions. Portion sizes are out of control! Many Americans eat in one sitting as much as most Europeans eat in a whole day.
Only if you are in a calorie surplus portion size matters I prove it every day at lunch people don't understand the volume of food I eat at lunch and stay lean.
Probably a bit lower as most of those countries tend to consume more higher quality food, although I don't think Germany or Belgium eating habits are ideal either.
Natural fats in unprocessed food isn't bad for you unless eaten to excess, and cold water fish, or pastured eggs, milk, or beef has all sorts of good fats. 10g of wild salmon fat is far far different than what you find in Oreos.... Or even in factory farm meat.
I found dairy products and milk in New Zealand noticeably different(slightly yellow and seemed richer) as they can pasture their herds for the whole year in some places. In the US and Canada, many(most?) cows never go outside anymore, and rarely, if ever eat fresh grass. Parts of europe would pasture dairy herds more if their climate supports it.
Here a pic of one of our eggs with the chickens eating grass and whatever else they find vs one from the store. We do use commercial feed as well, but most chickens only eat about 1/3 of what an indoor chicken would eat, and the rest is grass, bugs, kitchen scraps. The fat profiles are very different.
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I got an Apple Watch Ultra back in July and the information it measures on my daily movement (energy use) are shared with the Health and Fitness apps on the IPhone. The clearly delineated daily resting v active calorie burn provided every day in the health app has provided me with the calorie burn information that I always wanted.
Information is power in the obesity challenge many of us face every day.
I’m down 23 pounds since I mentally make sure my daily calorie burn is greater, some days significantly greater, then what I’m consuming. It is enlightening, and scary, when you know how much exercise it takes you to burn off that hamburger. Yes, I also changed my couch habits but more movement has allowed me to increase my VO2 max reading by 50%. I went from well below average for my age to above average in 4 months. I had never heard of VO2 max before getting the watch but it is to many physical fitness experts the benchmark of a person’s physical fitness health. Google VO2 max for more information on the metric.
Information is power in the obesity challenge many of us face every day.
I’m down 23 pounds since I mentally make sure my daily calorie burn is greater, some days significantly greater, then what I’m consuming. It is enlightening, and scary, when you know how much exercise it takes you to burn off that hamburger. Yes, I also changed my couch habits but more movement has allowed me to increase my VO2 max reading by 50%. I went from well below average for my age to above average in 4 months. I had never heard of VO2 max before getting the watch but it is to many physical fitness experts the benchmark of a person’s physical fitness health. Google VO2 max for more information on the metric.
"1. USA Baseline: The U.S. is among the highest in coronary bypass surgery rates, estimated at around 150-180 procedures per 100,000 people annually.
2. Fat Consumption & Coronary Disease: While high-fat consumption correlates with some heart conditions, bypass surgery rates depend more on healthcare policies, prevalence of other risk factors (like smoking and exercise), and diagnostic practices.
European countries (like Belgium, Germany, and France) typically have bypass rates around 50-80 procedures per 100,000 people, which is 30-50% of the U.S. rate."
"Healthcare policies" and "diagnostic practices".....
Equates to we're set up to do more of it, and as a result we end up doing more of it. Because our system of healthcare in this country isn't socialized.
Many cardiovascular bypass operations are performed immediately if major blockage is discovered that cannot be relieved by stenting.
Nothing happens quickly under government controlled socialized medicine. Hence fewer procedures. Wait times are VERY lengthy for most ALL surgical procedures in countries that have 100 percent government controlled healthcare.
Horses are low carb and do not make one fat.
High carb.
Well, I think it depends on the country, but generally here I see that people with a critical problem, get their life saving treatment or surgery fast. And if you've got the money or your own health insurance you can always get things done in a private clinic in most(all?) countries with public health insurance plans, or travel to a cheaper country for the procedure. If you are 70+ very obese, smoke, and not trying to quit and lose weight, you aren't very high on the knee replacement priority list as its a low chance for success and you are a very high risk to not handle the surgery well, so there is a bit of triaging for elective surgery. But my buddies baby daughter had heart surgery a week after they found a hole in her heart, and they only waited that long to get her body weight up so she had a better chance for survival.
What percentage of people in the US, do you think can't get heart surgery at all?, or it will bankrupt them, and they decide take their chances or die rather than lose their family home? I'm guessing ~20% but I don't know?
I think on average, the average european is less likely to need heart surgery than the average US person, due to a lot of factors, and perhaps in europe they say "no" to more surgery that is very likely to kill the patient and not improve their life, where in the US there is a bit of a financial incentive to try the "hail mary" if they have the insurance for it?
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You're right that healthcare systems influence how quickly procedures are performed, and the U.S. model often prioritizes immediate intervention. But it's worth noting that many European countries with socialized systems, like Germany or France, manage cardiovascular care efficiently, especially for critical cases.
For non-urgent surgeries, wait times can be longer in some systems, but those countries also focus more on preventative care and managing conditions early to reduce the need for emergency bypass surgeries. It's a complex trade-off between access, cost, and outcomes.
This why RFKjr has a no win battle people don't want to change or you can't make someone change without the person wanting to. You can show all the facts and data in which nothing new for past 10 years you have to make it a lifestyle few want that.
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