No more Cruze, Impala, etc.

[Rmay635703]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by AZjeff
So the manufacturers (not just GM) are supposed to keep making product that not enough people want and have to discount to sell until the price of gas goes back up someday? Instead of making what people want to buy? Makes sense.



I've never seen a Ford look like that.

You cannot judge someone's practical thinking based on what you see. A lot of people have a pickup or suv as the second car.


True, I can only judge what I see
our works parking lot holds around 500 spaces,
There have been days that I could count the non trucks using just fingers in that lot. Those trucks mainly commute a person to work everyday .
They usually have a leather cover on the bed or a bed full of used tires and pop cans

I worked with a guy that commuted 160 miles a day in his f450 because he couldn't be seen in anything else, once or twice a year he would do truck stuff,
He complained about fuel prices and finding parking spots.
As you say his truck was a second "car" in a 2 truck family , not sure that matters when both get used a lot.

 

[ffhdriver]

I remember when people here said how stupid Ford was to do what GM has now decided is a good idea too.

 

[Rmay635703]

Originally Posted by ffhdriver
I remember when people here said how stupid Ford was to do what GM has now decided is a good idea too.


They both are stupid for being unable to make a car people want and then ditching them in time for fuel prices to rise bankrupting them as they have no product that sells with higher gas prices

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by ffhdriver
I remember when people here said how stupid Ford was to do what GM has now decided is a good idea too.


They both are stupid for being unable to make a car people want and then ditching them in time for fuel prices to rise bankrupting them as they have no product that sells with higher gas prices



Whats your ideal car and at what price so we can see it's probably a dream?

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by Rmay635703
They both are stupid for being unable to make a car people want and then ditching them in time for fuel prices to rise bankrupting them as they have no product that sells with higher gas prices
Isn't it true that all the Chevy Cruze plants (for one example) around the world {China, Mexico, Argentina, S. Korea} will continue making them? They are not going away, just gone inside the U.S.

 

[4WD]

Would not surprise me … I have seen them in several countries …

 

[E365]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by Rmay635703
They both are stupid for being unable to make a car people want and then ditching them in time for fuel prices to rise bankrupting them as they have no product that sells with higher gas prices
Isn't it true that all the Chevy Cruze plants (for one example) around the world {China, Mexico, Argentina, S. Korea} will continue making them? They are not going away, just gone inside the U.S.


Same is true with the Focus and Fiesta. There's brand new versions made and sold in Europe, and they're excellent and efficient. They have other small car plants all over the world too.

People keep saying Ford is going to "stop making cars". Which is 100% incorrect. They're just not going to sell them in the US.

 

[4WD]

Yeah … saw a number of them in Aberdeen … hatchbacks …

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by grampi
This is just the next step in the auto industry's quest to get everyone driving the same vehicle. Next they will all have the same options, after that, only one color will be offered...we're going back to the days of the Model T being the only model offered...



It does not matter. The personal vehicle market is dying it's slow suffocating death.

 

[philipp10]

Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Once your autonomous car shows up with free

on the seat a person might not think it's so great.


Yeah, who's going to clean up all those bodily fluids? Besides the regular ones, there's also snot, vomit, drool, blood etc.

people in other countries ride subways everyday.....do you honestly think everyone is sitting on "fluids"....

 

[philipp10]

Lots of you seem to think the sedan is dead. It's not, it is still 31% of the market and probably bottomed. GM and Ford just couldn't build sedans as economical and efficient as their competition (Toyota and Honda mainly). You don't see anyone else abandoning 31% of the market. Why? They got out of a profitless area to focus on the few areas left that are profitable. As far as a SUV/CUV, yeah, they are nice. But sedans have their place if you want to move and really drive your car. Some of us don't prefer to drive a box on wheels.

 

[4WD]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/here-are-the-10-best-selling-cars-through-the-first-half-of-2018/

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by philipp10
Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Once your autonomous car shows up with free

on the seat a person might not think it's so great.


Yeah, who's going to clean up all those bodily fluids? Besides the regular ones, there's also snot, vomit, drool, blood etc.

people in other countries ride subways everyday.....do you honestly think everyone is sitting on "fluids"....





In some countries you can be assured that the transit systems are cleaned regularly. Japan is one that prides itself on cleanliness.

In Seattle, passengers have been urinating and leaving other mess. Not too long ago a bus passenger sat on a used needle. When he told the driver he got a blank stare.

In Portland, gangs roam the MAX train system conducting robberies and assaults. In some parts of that city the trains are no go zones.

So, will someone leave a mess in a autonomous car for the next person? Absolutely in this "I do what I want, it's all about me" society.

Consideration and respect left a long time ago sadly.

 

[E365]

Originally Posted by philipp10
Lots of you seem to think the sedan is dead. It's not, it is still 31% of the market and probably bottomed. GM and Ford just couldn't build sedans as economical and efficient as their competition (Toyota and Honda mainly). You don't see anyone else abandoning 31% of the market. Why? They got out of a profitless area to focus on the few areas left that are profitable. As far as a SUV/CUV, yeah, they are nice. But sedans have their place if you want to move and really drive your car. Some of us don't prefer to drive a box on wheels.


True, they're definitely not "dead", but I think it's quite possible we'll see other sedans and small cars from non-American makers be cut before long.

Check out the Oct 17 vs Oct 18 sales of the Nissan Maxima, Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, Toyota Mirai, Subaru Legacy, Honda Civic, Kia Cadenza, Hyundai Accent, VW Golf and VW Passat.

All absolutely terrible. Most in the 30-70% drop in sales range. No chance they'll all survive.

 

[PimTac]

I wonder how much of these sedan sales are to fleets and the rental companies? Those types of sales are probably at much lower profit margins as well.

 

[badduxx]

Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by BobsArmory
When gas prices go up $1.50 everyone will flock back to sedans instead of buying SUVs.

And GM and Ford will, once again, be engaged in a bunch of hand wringing and navel gazing about where their decision went wrong, despite them having gone down this wrong path at least once before.

This ^^^

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by grampi
This is just the next step in the auto industry's quest to get everyone driving the same vehicle. Next they will all have the same options, after that, only one color will be offered...we're going back to the days of the Model T being the only model offered...



It does not matter. The personal vehicle market is dying it's slow suffocating death.


I don't know, I haven't seen any of the Japanese companies dropping any of their cars...

 

[DoubleWasp]

GM and Ford can't win in the PR department anymore.

They're withdrawing from a market that is tanking before it tanks, and that's a problem somehow.

I don't blame parents for abandoning sedans, either. I know a few who have to deal with car seats in a sedan, and those rear doors have gotten so small, and those roof lines have gotten so low, that it isn't worth it. If I had kids, there's no way I'd go shopping for a sedan. Not about being a bad parent, so much as a smart one. The stereotype is that anyone who buys an SUV must be dumb, but that does not bear out in reality.

Sedans signed their own death certificates when they all started shying away from size, and tried looking like sportscars. The rear seat accommodations are awful in most.

Throw in the more active lifestyles of many folks, and the sedan looks absolutely awful compared to the minivan or SUV. I know a guy who just dumped his sedan because he has 4 kids who have steadily dropped their electronics for bicycles on the weekends and he got sick of assembling and disassembling bikes and bike carriers.

Gas prices will do what they do, but we no longer live in a world of truck based and large engined SUVs throwing down city fuel economy in the teens. Next go around, it won't be hitting the same market as 10 years ago.

 

[4WD]

True on the CUV/SUV … and I know folks who live 30 minutes from the grocery store … they shop heavy and not only is the SUV made to hold volume … it keeps the meat and perishable goods cool in the Texas heat …

 

[Andrew1972]

None of the cars they are killing are particularly interesting to mass consumer nor profitable. Mexico/China is a ton cheaper for these low volume and lower profit models.

The 15% workforce layoff is a nice wake up call for people working currently to educate themselves constantly and make them viable in the job market. There are a ton of jobs out there with a little sacrifice then align yourself into the proper growing field.