new Volt owner on morning local news

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He flew to NY to get it and drive it back. Said he paid over 42K for it!!! They reported that he will get a $7500 tax credit this year and by signing a form that allows GM to record data from his ride he gets a free 220V upgrade to his home wiring to cut charge time in half. The funny part is, on the way home he only got 34 mpg and he said the battery is only lasting 25 miles. He then stated it is because he is running the heater and the seat heaters, LOL.

Sound like an epic FAIL for a car costing 42K. I'd rather have that 2011 VW TDI in the vehicles forum that is getting 43 mpg not even broken in yet.
 
certainly it is a very high price point - but we need to start somewhere. of course, heated seats in a "green" car? seriously????
 
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
certainly it is a very high price point - but we need to start somewhere. of course, heated seats in a "green" car? seriously????

At this price it's luxury car as much as a green one. If it didn't have seat heaters and NAV and all that nonsense we'd be saying "$40k and it doesn't even have heated seats?!"
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The Volt has a specific usage profile in mind for it to make sense. Venture too far out and it won't do anything miraculous. Stay in, and it'll be pretty cool.

I was surprised to see one driving at my workplace yesterday. Looked cool.

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I just drove a volt and equinox FCV yesterday. The Volt was VERY nice and very tightly put together. Felt very high quality. Nearly non-existant rear headroom though.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I just drove a volt and equinox FCV yesterday. The Volt was VERY nice and very tightly put together. Felt very high quality. Nearly non-existant rear headroom though.


Has was the Equinox?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I just drove a volt and equinox FCV yesterday. The Volt was VERY nice and very tightly put together. Felt very high quality. Nearly non-existant rear headroom though.



Yup. It seems like they got some good equipment and hands at the new Hamtramck plant, considering they haven't been building it very long.
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Weather is a bit crazy right now though...



Right, and this extreme weather reduces the battery life - just a fact, not the cars fault. It's cold, heated seats on, etc reduced the battery life of the NY'r driving it.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I just drove a volt and equinox FCV yesterday. The Volt was VERY nice and very tightly put together. Felt very high quality. Nearly non-existant rear headroom though.



Yup. It seems like they got some good equipment and hands at the new Hamtramck plant, considering they haven't been building it very long.

Yeah, for 42k you can buy a whole house in many of the detroit/hamtramck suburbs these days. And I'm not talking about the ghetto areas either. The crash in Mi housing is absolutely incredible.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Weather is a bit crazy right now though...



Right, and this extreme weather reduces the battery life - just a fact, not the cars fault. It's cold, heated seats on, etc reduced the battery life of the NY'r driving it.



Just a fact this is every day weather in the north just for the facts that is why most people up here laugh at the car not even practical for 6 months out of the year.
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I just drove a volt and equinox FCV yesterday. The Volt was VERY nice and very tightly put together. Felt very high quality. Nearly non-existant rear headroom though.


Has was the Equinox?


The drivetrain was slightly different. While the volt (engine was NEVER on when I drove it) rolled forward with the AT in "D", like in a normal car, the equinox sat more and also rolled a bit more when put in park with the brake on. The feel was the same for both, the instant torque, especially in the volt, was notable. Felt torquier than my 135i. The equinox ran mostly on the NiMH battery pack until I got on it, at which point when it out out >100kWe, it really went.

The materials in the volt felt a tiny bit nicer than in the equinox, but the equinox was very nice and comfortable. Sitting in the rear seat was much better...
 
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2011/02/2011-chevrolet-volt-fuel-economy-update.html

"@spaceywilly: Total miles driven divided by gallons of gas is a bogus figure. You don't get 125 mpg or whatever in this car...ever. You get 125 miles per gallon AND ALSO some other amount of electricity that you also pay for. Gasoline can only be included on its own during the miles when the engine is running.

That's the trouble I have with the way the Volt is being presented. On the one hand, they say it's an electric car. On the other hand, the diplay says 250+ mpg when the battery is full and the car is running with the engine off. MPG does not apply in electric mode. But they talk about MPG as if the electricity is free, invisible, non-existent. Sorry, it's real and you're paying very real money for it.

The last thing anyone should do is see a number like 125 mpg on the screen and put that in an equation, by itself, with the cost of gas to figure what this thing costs to run.

It burns gas 34 mpg when the engine is on, and it consumes electricity at a rate of 33.1 kWh/100 miles when the engine is dormant and the battery is running the show."
 
Hindsight is 20:20. I'll post back here in 5 years.
Just give you a hint, I won't buy an electric vehicle. I also hate ethanol.
Give me a diesel, or diesel hybrid. And, give me butanol as an option.
 
I went to a semi-technical review of the Volt, its design parameters and its capabilities last year which was made to a local chapter of our professional engineers licensing body. I'm not a domestic car fan at all, but I was impressed with what I heard.

As someone already said, you have to fit the usage profile which matches the design. It's intended to be for the "typical commuter" who drives from work and doesn't drive all day as part of their job. They showed statistical analysis of various surveys by market and this does, in fact, cover most drivers (although it might not cover most readers of this thread - but BITOG isn't an even sampling of all North American drivers).

The 220V charging station is the only way to go. There was a lot of information given on all of the various heat management systems. The batteries need to be at their "correct" temperature and may be heated or cooled by the system. The inverters and controllers require cooling, the gasoline engine requires cooling, the cabin requires heating or cooling etc...

The "range extension" concept means that you won't be stranded but that's not the way the car is meant to be used long term to make sense. You should usually fit within the electric range to get the most out of it.

You can program the car with a time of day to perform the bulk of the charging. This can coincide with the lowest power usage rates in your geography. You can also program when you usually use the vehicle and it will make sure that all of the systems (including the cabin) are heated or cooled to optimum temperature from wall power before you head out. No more cold cars in the morning. Since it's all electric, this will work fantastically and the load of heating or cooling a cabin initially will not be placed on the battery system but will already be done before you get in. Of course on the return trip it will take battery power.

I see our climate being the number one problem with the adoption of electric cars and always have. Subzero temps in the winter and 90sF with tons of humidity in the summer. I wouldn't want to contend with that in a battery powered car. San Francisco, on the other hand, won't have any issues.
 
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Originally Posted By: dave123
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Weather is a bit crazy right now though...



Right, and this extreme weather reduces the battery life - just a fact, not the cars fault. It's cold, heated seats on, etc reduced the battery life of the NY'r driving it.



Just a fact this is every day weather in the north just for the facts that is why most people up here laugh at the car not even practical for 6 months out of the year.


It's not the car's technology that is at fault but rather that BATTERY technology has not advanced enough. The Nissan Leaf will have the same problem with less range in the cold. But the car will do well in the more "left" states like California I bet.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2011/02/2011-chevrolet-volt-fuel-economy-update.html

"@spaceywilly: Total miles driven divided by gallons of gas is a bogus figure. You don't get 125 mpg or whatever in this car...ever. You get 125 miles per gallon AND ALSO some other amount of electricity that you also pay for. Gasoline can only be included on its own during the miles when the engine is running.

That's the trouble I have with the way the Volt is being presented. On the one hand, they say it's an electric car. On the other hand, the diplay says 250+ mpg when the battery is full and the car is running with the engine off. MPG does not apply in electric mode. But they talk about MPG as if the electricity is free, invisible, non-existent. Sorry, it's real and you're paying very real money for it.

The last thing anyone should do is see a number like 125 mpg on the screen and put that in an equation, by itself, with the cost of gas to figure what this thing costs to run.

It burns gas 34 mpg when the engine is on, and it consumes electricity at a rate of 33.1 kWh/100 miles when the engine is dormant and the battery is running the show."


The volt that I drove did not give an MPG figure as it was only ever operating on batteries. Just a batery and total range. It showed battery SOC during operaion and power flow. There is no mechanical traction, the more accurate way to define above is that it consumes 34 MPG when the engine is generating, and approximately 33 kWh/100 miles for traction and hotel loads.

When the battery SOC goes too low, the engine will generate and provide both traction and battery recharge electrical power. The engine does not drive the car, it is just an alternate source of DC power for operation.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: dave123
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Weather is a bit crazy right now though...



Right, and this extreme weather reduces the battery life - just a fact, not the cars fault. It's cold, heated seats on, etc reduced the battery life of the NY'r driving it.



Just a fact this is every day weather in the north just for the facts that is why most people up here laugh at the car not even practical for 6 months out of the year.


It's not the car's technology that is at fault but rather that BATTERY technology has not advanced enough. The Nissan Leaf will have the same problem with less range in the cold. But the car will do well in the more "left" states like California I bet.


Extreme cold perhaps, but in a 27F demo that I did, with everything running, we had put 19 miles on since the last charge and the battery was at about 60% SOC. Not bad for having run seat heaters, lights, sat "idle" for a while, etc.

The battery is cooled and heated. Id be more concerned with regeneration/recharge out on the road after a cold soak than anything. When home-connected, some of the electricity will warm the battery so it can safely accept charge. That's just physics...
 
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