New USA 0W30 Castrol ( AC ???)

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007008,

Thanks for continuing to try and help us sort this out.

Hum, this new one is a mystery to me. I suppose that you could purchase a bottle, take some photos and then return the item.

I also could host the images if you need help with that.

Very interesting to say the least, M-13XXX, wow!
 
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Originally posted by 007008:
Went by AZ yesterday evening. What they had was not the same stuff I saw back in May. I have never seen pre-GC 0w-30. But this stuff (they had about 30 quarts) was Syntech 0w30 not German made. It was a completely different label. Very basic, no pictures, did not list all the #'s like they normally do (like the "New Euro Formula" stuff I saw. Lable was red both sides and the product was SL grade. I was going to buy a bottle anyway, but when I checked the dates on the bottom the first 4-5 bottles all were M13XXXX ( I am positive), now based on what I understood about the coding, this stuff was either made in 1913 or 2013 neither of which I think could apply. The label did say it met all Mercedes an BMW requirement but again did not list all the numbers. Did not say anything about euro period. I have heard guys mention yellow label old syntech, but this was red. Now I can buy a bottle of this, and will if requested, you guys who are more informed on Castrol's packaging can tell me what I was looking at and what M13XXX on the date code means.
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Are you sure that it wasn't M013xxxxxx etc.? Did the bottles look like the ones pictured in this link? http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=51;t=000699 The bottles that you describe are sounding more and more like pre-GC.
 
To 917990

This was a different lable than the one on the link you showed. It for sure was "SL". The bottle looks the same, but the lable was different on both sides. I am sure, that the number was M13XXX, that and the fact the lable was different from what I originally saw, is the only reason I did not buy it and try for pictures. Guys, I have only used GC once since I joined this forum. It is in my Tundra now, with about 500 miles on it. I do enjoy reading about oil and everyones' opinions here at BITOG. I really wish I had never seen that **** rack of "New Euro Formula", it probably would have saved me a lot of grief. However, since I started this, I will see it to the end.

James B.
 
James

M13xxxxxx?
Hmm...I wonder what it is.
I have a suggestion.
If you see something interesting on the shelf, don't hesitate and just buy it.
Keep the receipt.
Cause you can always return the unopen bottles, no questions asked.
Also, do you have a digital camera?
Please take the pictures.
AndyH will host them for you.
Thank you.
 
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Originally posted by 007008:
To 917990

...since I started this, I will see it to the end.

James B.


That is what GOOD BITOG members do, so guess what that makes you.
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Originally posted by 007008:
To 917990

This was a different lable than the one on the link you showed. It for sure was "SL". The bottle looks the same, but the lable was different on both sides. I am sure, that the number was M13XXX, that and the fact the lable was different from what I originally saw, is the only reason I did not buy it and try for pictures. Guys, I have only used GC once since I joined this forum. It is in my Tundra now, with about 500 miles on it. I do enjoy reading about oil and everyones' opinions here at BITOG. I really wish I had never seen that **** rack of "New Euro Formula", it probably would have saved me a lot of grief. However, since I started this, I will see it to the end.

James B.


James:
Believe me, your efforts are appreciated. Yes, we're all a bit weird about this particular oil in part because it is so darned good. I tried it in my '99 Accord, for example, and GC made the engine very smooth and quiet. It even reduced the dreaded piston slap. Also, I think some of us, including myself, like the idea of the "treasure hunt" to find green GC etc. Speaking only for myself, I would hate to see Castrol cheapen this wonderful product and I am somewhat worried that American made Syntec 0w30 will not be as good as GC. Once again, thanks and I hope that you can provide a picture.

z917990
 
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I'm sorry but until I see photo evidence, I can't see speculating and worrying about it. There isn't one other BITOG member that has also seen this?!? Out of how many? Hundreds? Thousands of us that love and use GC? Doesn't really add up to me.
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Not saying that what 007 is saying is total garbage but... well I don't know what I'm saying. That's my take on this so far.

Please, please, please take a camera with you next time.
 
Guys, I received this from Castrol Consumer relations today. From how I read it, changes may occure, or may not, to our favorite oil. My question to them was, " is the American SYNTECH 0w30 the "exact" same as German ow-30, and how can I get a bottle of the new stuff which they never responded to. It looks like at the present time, we will get both. As you can clearly see, they reserve the right to make changes. But, as you can clearly see, they are making American 0w-30.

"The North American Castrol SYNTEC SAE 0w30 offers the same performance
as the German SYNTEC 0W-30. Performance attributes are clearly
demonstrated in the performance ratings and OEM approvals indicated for
each of our individual product offerings.

Castrol produces and utilize formulas from various sources, including
North America and Europe depending on the product, performance and
component sourcing. Products may vary in raw materials as a result of
the regional production facility. However, the end performance met
whether API or ACEA, is still the same. Formulations meeting European
standards can be sourced from the US or Europe. It all comes down the
most efficient way to supply the product to market taking into
consideration development and supply chain logistics. The performance
specifications on the bottle may read differently as American Standard
testing varies from European testing.

Formulations meeting European standards can be sourced from the US or
Europe. It all comes down the most efficient way to supply the product
to market taking into consideration development and supply chain
logistics.

The decision for 0w30 to be sourced from Germany is based upon the most
efficient supply logistics.

Castrol SYNTEC SAE 0w30 exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's
warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and
turbocharged engines where API SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended.
Exceeds European ACEA: A3, B3, B4; VW 502 00, 505 00, 503 01; MB 229.1,
229.3; BMW LL-01 and the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF-3
for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving
Standards."

Castrol Consumer Relations.


Now, as I read this, they can, and most probably will be changes made to the Germain formula. primaraly due to the most cost efficient way to to make the product. I guess at this point, I no longer care one way or the other. I reported what I saw, I have posted two letters from Castrol, and they show the oil on their web site, to all who think that for whatever reason this is made up, so be it. I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything. I too, use GC, but only since I joined BITOG because of your recomendations. I have devoted too much time to this effort already. Best of luck to you guys.

James Bond
 
Has anyone else noticed that Mr. Bond here is doing everything to avoid the easiest solution? If you would just take a picture of the stuff and post it, this thread would only be about 1/4 of its size. I think this thread is made out of the same thing as hot dogs.
 
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Products may vary in raw materials as a result of
the regional production facility. However, the end performance met
whether API or ACEA, is still the same

I was told the exact same thing. As long as quality isn't impacted, I don't care. BUT, you could have several oils all meeting the same specs, but that doesn't meen they are all equal.
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That could be a problem.
 
It seems to me that what ever the situation might be time will have the truth out.

One fella sees something that isn't sitting well and then sees another thing that is suspect. He gets kicked around and at this point all is suposition as far as I can tell.

It doesn't matter to me until we see a bit of evidence so my blood pressure is fine.

If the special formulation that has produced the very fine results that we have seen from the green, and so far the gold continue or not doesn't matter. The truth will out at some point and we can adjust from there.

Trying to sluth out what the manufacturer is doing at this point just contaminates the evaluation and trying to get them to fess up is futile as far as I can tell. They aren't going to cut their own throats by giving us any facts. As in the past it will fall to the members here to sort out what if anything has changed if in deed there is a new AC offering.

Tempest in a tea cup seems to sum up my current perspective.

If they have ruined the elixer I'll just move on to the next best alternative and hope that Terry, Mola, and the rest of the able folks will be able to keep me on the right regemin to get the same results.

Such is my perspective as a rookie. John
 
Everybody who is waiting for bond to snap a shot should be turning off your pc and heading to autozone. Some make it sound like he has too show a pic to save face. Go look for yourself.
 
May I point out a few things for those who may not know-

1. Castrol Syntec 0w30 sold in the US was made in the US to start with.

2. You can still find the old US made stuff on the shelves today, and Castrol knows that.

3. For several years now, Castrol has claimed that there is no difference between the older US formula and the "Made in Germany" formula.

4. If you look at the back of the two bottles and read the specs, you will see that that is clearly NOT the case. The older US stuff does not carry the same specs as the German oil no matter what coustmer service says yesteray, today, and probably tomorrow, they are just repeating the same story they've told for years, which is not true.

5. I don't know why the specs from the website keep getting posted, as they make no reference to where it was made! And if the specs on the website don't mention MB 229.5, then it's out of date because the current bottle in the store does.
 
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Originally posted by boone88rr:
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I'm sorry but until I see photo evidence, I can't see speculating and worrying about it. There isn't one other BITOG member that has also seen this?!? Out of how many? Hundreds? Thousands of us that love and use GC? Doesn't really add up to me.
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Not saying that what 007 is saying is total garbage but... well I don't know what I'm saying. That's my take on this so far.

Please, please, please take a camera with you next time.


I agree. As I stated in a previous post, I am not accusing anyone of anything. I just want to see substantive evidence. I have not been able to find this "AC" stuff myself, although I will be hitting the AZ's in the Green Bay, WI area this weekend. I'm going to a wedding and I need some entertainment.
 
Why don't we just agree to all be on the lookout for this the next time we are at an Autozone? If it does exist, it will turn up sooner or later. Once one of us finds it, we should buy the bottle and then we can decide from there whether we want to send it for analysis.
 
We all know that we have to take Castrol's communique with a shovel of salt.

No picture, no bueno.
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And speedtc, he doesn't need to save face. He just needs to produce something. No one else has seen it. People have looked. I was in three AZ's this past weekend. No "American Castrol" there. Not even the old stuff.

For someone with 12 posts he certainly found a way to push everyone's buttons. Honestly, how hard is it to take a picture? Everyone and their brother has a digital camera.

Until I see it myself or the one person who has seen it, produces visual evidence. I am going to assume it's a hoax. I guess that's just how I operate.
 
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