New Truck! New oil Spec? 2016 Ford F-350 6.2l v8

[Branson304]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Branson304
Do you guys not understand what I'm getting at? Ford designed the OLM with Motorcraft synthetic blend. If you're going to use the OLM, use a synthetic blend or better because that's what it was designed for. Why is that so difficult to understand?

No, they did not. Ford designed a specification with certain test results in mind. The OLM is calibrated to the specification, not a specific base stock percentage. And, that specification can be met by some vanilla conventionals as well as expensive boutiques.

Where in Ford's owners manuals, warranty booklets, maintenance schedules, FSMs, or in the oil specification is a synthetic oil specified? Your point might fly with dexos1, but it sure as heck doesn't fly with the Ford specification.


1) I didn't say synthetic. I said synthetic blend.

2) I didn't say synthetic blend was specified, I said it was RECOMMENDED.

3) Ford did in fact design their OLM based on Motorcraft synthetic blend. That information is out there for you to view.

 

[Doublehaul]

In response to 2015-PSD

Undecided sad to say. Was hoping to run formula shell but may look into service pro. Local hardware store has it cheap labeled as a Dexos approved blend. I'd like to support the local guy as opposed to Walmart. Any reason not to use maxlife or a high mileage in the new motor?

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Doublehaul
In response to 2015-PSD

Undecided sad to say. Was hoping to run formula shell but may look into service pro. Local hardware store has it cheap labeled as a Dexos approved blend. I'd like to support the local guy as opposed to Walmart. Any reason not to use maxlife or a high mileage in the new motor?
LOL - I feel your pain; I fought with myself quite a bit about which oil to run when I bought my 2010. Regarding the HM oil, I personally would not use it, because I would not want to condition the seals until they actually need it--but I am not sure of any sources that definitively say it is a problem. If conventional is your choice of types, there are plenty of them out there that meet the specification.

 

[Doublehaul]

That's been my thoughts on seal conditioner whatever the [censored] that is. I suppose the easy thing to do would be to grab a dexos blend 5-30 as my wife's car calls for that too. Could always go for the cakerstate 300k challenge lol

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: Doublehaul
Hate to waste money on an un-need supposed blend when i can get spec meeting conventional for $2 per qt!

Lol I always find it funny when people spend $50k+ on a car and want to cheap out on oil

Me too, or those who run the oil twice as long as the OM suggests because they bought synthetic oil.

1994 Lexus LS400 OCI is 7,5000 miles/12 months with conventional 5W30.

I went with 6 months and mileage was up to 9-10k with conventional, with synthetic I did 1 year OCI up to 18-20k miles.

I sold the car couple weeks ago at 380k+ miles and the engine was running well without any problem, no engine work ever done in 22 years 380k miles.


That's very impressive, I'd consider you an exception, and not the norm. Under my driving conditions I would never attempt it. I'm sure you'd never do it with a new truck under warranty like the OP's truck.

That was the point I was trying to bring out, unfortunately I did a lousy job conveying it.

 

[FastLane]

Why not use a quality full synthetic 5w30 and don't look back. The cost of the oil is peanuts compared to the price of the truck.

5w30 runs the best in my 4.6 in my opinion. Ford dealer recommend it to me as well.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Doublehaul
Agreed. Conventional is called for in Canada in the owners manual.

And I bet the American manuals don't call for synthetic blends. There's a reason manuals call for specification and not for base stocks. You can have some oil with some fancy base stocks with some very inappropriate additive levels for a new Ford. I'm not exactly sure how an oil life monitor is designed around a specific base stock percentage, rather than a motor oil specification.

I would wager that a conventional A3/B4 15w-40 (and these do exist) would be able to handle a longer drain than an SN/GF-5 semi-synthetic with Ford's specification, too.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Branson304
Do you guys not understand what I'm getting at? Ford designed the OLM with Motorcraft synthetic blend. If you're going to use the OLM, use a synthetic blend or better because that's what it was designed for. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Yes, you can use conventional in the vehicle but the OLM was not designed for conventional. If you want to run conventional for 10,000 miles of every day driving or 8,000 miles of hard towing, whatever. Your problem, just hope I'm not the person who purchases a used vehicle you owned.


Sounds like Ford are opening themselves up for a lawsuit...

 

[Branson304]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Doublehaul
Agreed. Conventional is called for in Canada in the owners manual.

And I bet the American manuals don't call for synthetic blends. There's a reason manuals call for specification and not for base stocks. You can have some oil with some fancy base stocks with some very inappropriate additive levels for a new Ford. I'm not exactly sure how an oil life monitor is designed around a specific base stock percentage, rather than a motor oil specification.

I would wager that a conventional A3/B4 15w-40 (and these do exist) would be able to handle a longer drain than an SN/GF-5 semi-synthetic with Ford's specification, too.


Guess what? American here, who currently has two 6.2Ls in his fleet & one that I sold with 160,000 miles. Also, everything else we have is Ford. Ford, does in fact, recommend synthetic blend in the owner's manual. When you go to the next page after that recommendation, there's a little disclaimer that reads somewhat like this; "Synthetic blend oil is not required but is recommended. Oil that meets Ford spec [insert spec here] can also be used."

 

[hatt]

Here is what my OM states:
Quote:
1
Use of synthetic or synthetic blend motor oil is not mandatory. Engine oil need only meet the
requirements of Ford specification WSS-M2C946-A, SAE 5W-30 (3.5L EcoBoost engine), or
WSS-M2C945-A, SAE 5W-20 (3.7L, 5.0L, and 6.2L engines), and display the API Certification Mark.
2
Your engine has been designed to be used with Ford engine oil, which gives a fuel economy
benefit while maintaining the durability of your engine. Using oils other than the one specified can
result in longer engine cranking periods, reduced engine performance, reduced fuel economy and
increased emission levels


No mention of syn or blend being better. I go ahead and use PP because I can always get it cheap. If I were paying full price PYB would look real good.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Branson304
Ford, does in fact, recommend synthetic blend in the owner's manual. When you go to the next page after that recommendation, there's a little disclaimer that reads somewhat like this; "Synthetic blend oil is not required but is recommended. Oil that meets Ford spec [insert spec here] can also be used."

Of course Ford recommends a synthetic blend. All OEMs recommend their own brand. If a synthetic blend was much more appropriate for a Ford engine, then Ford should tighten up their specification. General Motors did it.

I've also had no shortage of Fords over the years, and almost none of them saw a synthetic or a blend. The F-150 got MaxLife when leaking.

 

[53' Stude]

+1 as my ole' standby QSGB 5w30 hasn't done me any harm at all even in the Jeep

 

[wtd]

Why not just use Motorcraft 5W-30 and call it a day. I don't think I've seen a bad oil analysis report on Motorcraft oils and a lot of them were good all the way up to the 10,000 mile mark. At least use it during the warranty period so you don't give Ford a reason to deny an engine warranty claim if something goes wrong with your engine.

I doubt you are going to notice any difference in how your engine runs or how long it lasts using any of the current name brand oils that meet your engine specs.

Wayne

 

[53' Stude]

wtd: I haven't had much luck in finding MC 5w30 synblend even at Wal Mart. Finally a Autozone close to me now carries it. Seems most places just carry MC 5w20 blend

 

[wtd]

Originally Posted By: car51
wtd: I haven't had much luck in finding MC 5w30 synblend even at Wal Mart. Finally a Autozone close to me now carries it. Seems most places just carry MC 5w20 blend



Our Walmart carries the Motorcraft 5W-30, just not in the 5 qrt jugs anymore. You can probably buy it from Walmart.com as they sell stuff online that they don't carry in their stores and have it shipped to your house or to the store.

Our local Ford dealership sells Motorcraft oil fairly cheap. You might check and see what the price is at yours.

Wayne