I wonder if it was tuned and that voided the warranty.Power Train Warranty. 5 years and 60,000 miles?
I wonder if it was tuned and that voided the warranty.Power Train Warranty. 5 years and 60,000 miles?
WellAllow me to dissect your post ... I find a lot to call into question ... This will come off as harsh, but I think some tough talk is due.
The two statements above are contradictory; how is a "well maintained" truck a gallon low on coolant? Any engine that low on coolant had one of two things happen:
- rapid coolant loss over a very short time; went ignored because ya can't miss a gallon of coolant sitting on the driveway
- slow loss of coolant over long duration of time; went ignored because no one bothered to check the coolant bottle in 4 years
Either way, this coolant condition was not "well maintained".
This is not unheard of in the 3.5L EB engines. While not "common", it's a known thing. However, this doesn't happen overnight. Every time he started the truck and heard the noise, he was ignoring an obvious problem. I don't believe this truck is as "well maintained" as you're claiming it to be; I think it's been grossly ignored.
As has been said, a 4 year old truck with 59k miles SHOULD fall under warranty; he shouldn't have to pay anything.
He shouldn't be at a "reputable shop"; he should be going to the dealer to get warranty coverage.
I think you have your statement mixed up? You meant to say you WOULD have purchased a 5.0L?
Further, the turbos didn't have anything to do with the timing set problems. And there are plenty examples of high-mileage turbo engines fairing quite well. Your comments are anecdotal.
I suggest you review your comment; any modern diesel is turbo.
Not to be rude, but that much is plainly obvious.
5.0L in the F150; 6.8L/7.3L in the SDs.
You clearly know how to get on the internet, because you're here on BITOG. Ever occur to look at the website for Ford and see what options are out there?
Most any full-size modern truck should handle that just fine. Towing capacities are well stated on the OEM websites.
You're welcome.
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It's my opinion that your buddy should be getting his advice from somewhere else. And if you're a good friend you'll admit that to him.
Nope... nothing on that end.I wonder if it was tuned and that voided the warranty.
He's going to Ford today to see what can be done. Warranty "should" be an option here... I'm hoping they will cover it.I wouldn’t suggest or tell your friend what he should buy. As another member mentioned, definitely see if the truck is covered under warranty.
Well.... Truly some "Tough Talk" and I respect and appreciate your opinion on this. (It's why I came and posted here to this forum.)Allow me to dissect your post ... I find a lot to call into question ... This will come off as harsh, but I think some tough talk is due.
The two statements above are contradictory; how is a "well maintained" truck a gallon low on coolant? Any engine that low on coolant had one of two things happen:
- rapid coolant loss over a very short time; went ignored because ya can't miss a gallon of coolant sitting on the driveway
- slow loss of coolant over long duration of time; went ignored because no one bothered to check the coolant bottle in 4 years
Either way, this coolant condition was not "well maintained".
This is not unheard of in the 3.5L EB engines. While not "common", it's a known thing. However, this doesn't happen overnight. Every time he started the truck and heard the noise, he was ignoring an obvious problem. I don't believe this truck is as "well maintained" as you're claiming it to be; I think it's been grossly ignored.
As has been said, a 4 year old truck with 59k miles SHOULD fall under warranty; he shouldn't have to pay anything.
He shouldn't be at a "reputable shop"; he should be going to the dealer to get warranty coverage.
I think you have your statement mixed up? You meant to say you WOULD have purchased a 5.0L?
Further, the turbos didn't have anything to do with the timing set problems. And there are plenty examples of high-mileage turbo engines fairing quite well. Your comments are anecdotal.
I suggest you review your comment; any modern diesel is turbo.
Not to be rude, but that much is plainly obvious.
5.0L in the F150; 6.8L/7.3L in the SDs.
You clearly know how to get on the internet, because you're here on BITOG. Ever occur to look at the website for Ford and see what options are out there?
Most any full-size modern truck should handle that just fine. Towing capacities are well stated on the OEM websites.
You're welcome.
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It's my opinion that your buddy should be getting his advice from somewhere else. And if you're a good friend you'll admit that to him.
Amen to that statement! Can this be accomplished these days? Complexity is rampant.It’s just me, but I’d rather buy a plain Jane hd GM with the 6.6L gasoline engine than a decked out 1500. Complexity is the enemy of reliability.
Some will say your opinion is anecdotal etc... But... I would tend to agree that "complexity" is a very large point in my dislike for the way they are building engines today. Look at "DI" and your average person has been led to believe this is a good thing. Is it really? (Not in my book).2021 or older Tundra.
2012 or older pre-DI Chevy anything. 6.0 gas 3/4 ton is ideal.
Titans are ok but i'm not a fan of DI, so only the first gen Titan is on my good list.
Ford makes utter trash these days.
I would disagree that all Fords are trash. My F250 with 6.2L has been a stalwart; nothing but reliable.Ford is putting out some trash for sure. (along with GM, others) I drive a Ford work van with the 3.7L V6 and it's been great. So apparently, they can do some things well and then complicate the 3.5 with it's own set of issues.
Keep us updated.He's going to Ford today to see what can be done. Warranty "should" be an option here... I'm hoping they will cover it.
Very OT. I say I prefer simple as well, but then I look at how well my wife’s 2.4t Volvo has held up. I’m guessing an older Japanese turbo is better than what’s being made today, but I really don’t know.I would disagree that all Fords are trash. My F250 with 6.2L has been a stalwart; nothing but reliable.
As for the 3.7L and 3.5L Fords, do you realize those are the same engine family (Cyclone series)? The 3.3L, 3.5L and 3.7L all have the same basic design; only the displacement changes.
- In transverse applications, they do have internal water pumps; that's expensive to replace.
- In longitudinal applications, they put the pump outside; much easier to get to.
- All of those engines have variable valve timing; even the "great" 3.7L in your work van. They are all DOHC with cam phasers.
- The EB applications get some beefed up components for the boosted pressure, but essentially all Cyclone engines are of the same design.
So the engine in your friend's truck (the one you're lamenting) is essentially the same as the one in your van (the one you're praising).
Ford Cyclone engine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I am in general agreement with you; I prefer simpler designs over more complex ones. Complex systems can work really well, until they don't ... and then they're more expensive and time consuming to fix.
He should still be under 5/60 powertrain warranty. Just fix it. If he is regularly towing 9k that is not a good diet for any 150/1500 of any make.Well... I'm sure I'm going to open-up a can of worms here. In a nutshell, I am trying to help-out a buddy that owns a 2019 Ford 150 with the 3.5L Twin Turbo and 59k miles.
Last week, he called me for help and pulled-over on the highway because of a high temperature reading. Checked coolant level and there was practically zero coolant left in the recovery tank. We added a full gallon of new coolant and temps got back to normal. He caught it just in time. Not only that, every time he started the truck, he heard a 'knocking sound" (Which was determined today to be cam phasers and timing chain "slap".)
Anyhow... the truck is very well maintained and only has 59k miles. He just came back from a reputable shop and got an estimate of almost $6k to replace and fix the water pump, timing chain and more... He's not happy and asked me what I would do. (I told him I would never have purchased a F150 with the Coyote V-8. Turbos and that boosted engine are a joke for long term.)
Sooooo.... He's looking at another Ford or GMC with two options - V8 or Diesel powered. No interest in any "Turbo" BS... Any suggestions?
I told him I didn't know much about the Diesel choices and was unsure if Ford offered a V-8 in any of their models (2022/2023)?
What stands-out for reliability these days? He tows less than 9,000lbs and needs to know what his best option is. NO TURBO's for him anymore.
Thanks!
He should still be under 5/60 powertrain warranty. Just fix it. If he is regularly towing 9k that is not a good diet for any 150/1500 of any make.
Very OT. I say I prefer simple as well, but then I look at how well my wife’s 2.4t Volvo has held up. I’m guessing an older Japanese turbo is better than what’s being made today, but I really don’t know.
I’m really wanting a new truck but am just not ready for the expense yet. It’s too bad they are ending the current gen of Tacoma because I don’t think they’ll have a normal NA option in the next gen. I’ll have to look into the Frontier I suppose.
6.) ... He's not a member of this forum, nor is he staying awake at night thinking about his next OCI or recent Blackstone report.