New pennzoil platinum?

[jamesyarbrough]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: buster
Shell was using GTL through mid 2013, which is when you saw the major drop in NOACK volatility. It's definitely a top tier oil, arguably the best overall now.


The PDS for Ultra that shows low Noack volatility (5-6%) is dated May 2012. So GTL presumably has been part of the formulation since at least then.


Again, there is no proof any GTL is being used in PYB.

There are many ways to make a good low NOACK oil without using some esoteric base oil.



Eitherway PYB 5w20, with a NOACK volatility of 6.5 and a TBN of 9.4, looks pretty good against other dinos.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Again, there is no proof any GTL is being used in PYB.

There are many ways to make a good low NOACK oil without using some esoteric base oil. [/quote]
But GTL isn't esoteric for SOPUS, they literally have boat loads of the stuff. How else could they cheaply formulate a light so-called conventional 5W-20 with a 6.5 Noack?

 

[dave1251]

I believe that mola is trying to sooth any hysteria that is feeding the GTL rumors in SOPUS's lineup. But it would make sense for SOPUS to use GTL to formulate a oil to get that low of a NOAK rather than buy other base stocks "PAO" from its competitor XOM.

Also is this going to be SOPUS's model going forward because it is cheaper for them to use GTL rather than refine Group II base stocks or was this group of PCMO's blended with GTL because of a group II shortage?

 

[Solarent]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
I believe that mola is trying to sooth any hysteria that is feeding the GTL rumors in SOPUS's lineup. But it would make sense for SOPUS to use GTL to formulate a oil to get that low of a NOAK rather than buy other base stocks "PAO" from its competitor XOM.

Also is this going to be SOPUS's model going forward because it is cheaper for them to use GTL rather than refine Group II base stocks or was this group of PCMO's blended with GTL because of a group II shortage?


Being as Group II is generally in oversupply in the market and continues to be so, I don't see how SOPUS would do this - as Molakule and I have mentioned there are other ways to get low NOACK without using GTL. I refuse to believe GTL is being used in PYB until I hear something definitive from their technical dept.

 

[dave1251]

Also I will add that if SOPUS is using GTL in their conventional formulations from this point forward whenever any one ask for a recommendation of which oil should they use for their ride I am going to recommend PYB or QSGB unless you have some turbocharged, VVT, SHOC/DHOC, and DI nightmare of a engine PYB or QSGB is overkill for just about every other application.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: Solarent

Being as Group II is generally in oversupply in the market and continues to be so, I don't see how SOPUS would do this - as Molakule and I have mentioned there are other ways to get low NOACK without using GTL.

Well I'm all ears.
Tell us some of these other cost effective ways to formulate from GP II base stocks a 5W-20 with a 6.5 Noack?

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Also I will add that if SOPUS is using GTL in their conventional formulations from this point forward whenever any one ask for a recommendation of which oil should they use for their ride I am going to recommend PYB or QSGB unless you have some turbocharged, VVT, SHOC/DHOC, and DI nightmare of a engine PYB or QSGB is overkill for just about every other application.

Even years ago I was confident that QSGB was more than sufficient for just about any application.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Solarent

Being as Group II is generally in oversupply in the market and continues to be so, I don't see how SOPUS would do this - as Molakule and I have mentioned there are other ways to get low NOACK without using GTL.

Well I'm all ears.
Tell us some of these other cost effective ways to formulate from GP II base stocks a 5W-20 with a 6.5 Noack?


I'll let you do the searching but one thread was on the topic of the latest PQIA results specifically discussing NOACK, and the other was a previous discussion of GTL.

I am not going to divulge my formulating IP but my comments are there as to how it can be done.

 

[TrevorS]

This is all very well and good but will GTL mean that I'll finally receive my rebate?

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
This is all very well and good but will GTL mean that I'll finally receive my rebate?


That is the technical question you want to ask a Manf. representative?

 

[TrevorS]

Don't know if you saw but they mentioned they would have all sorts of experts including brand people.

Perhaps they can get into a cross functional brainstorming about it.

 

[Solarent]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I'll let you do the searching but one thread was on the topic of the latest PQIA results specifically discussing NOACK, and the other was a previous discussion of GTL.


This.
I also mentioned that in the CRODA presentation I attended a couple of weeks ago that we discussed the use of polymeric esters for the same purpose. (Post is in the Interesting Articles forum)

@Mola - don't worry we aren't here to try to get your formulating secrets out of you.... although as it is a public forum you never know who might be listening...

 

[skip029]

From their Facebook page when I asked about PU vs PP w/ ProPlus Technology made from gas:

"Hi Skip, thanks for reaching out. We are working on a big launch for this spring that will officially introduce our newest offerings in the Pennzoil line-up. Stay tuned for additional updates."

 

[daves87rs]

Originally Posted By: skip029
From their Facebook page when I asked about PU vs PP w/ ProPlus Technology made from gas:

"Hi Skip, thanks for reaching out. We are working on a big launch for this spring that will officially introduce our newest offerings in the Pennzoil line-up. Stay tuned for additional updates."



No surprise there...

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Mike Simmons
I just returned from the 2014 O'Reilly Manager's Conference and Shell had a booth announcing that Pennzoil Ultra has been made with natural gas since the summer of '13 but that they were just announcing that fact and would begin promotions of this in April. According to the reps, unmatched purity compared with "extracted" oil. It's crystal clear when refined but gets the amber hue when the additive pack is added. I tried to find out the process used to get the oil from the gas, but the reps were unable to tell me the mechanism.

Mike



Merged this thread into the other ongoing one.


This comment is funny about it being clear - key phrase is it is clear after being refined, which is a completely useless and meaningless (technically) use of filler words to make people feel good. I have PRODUCED GTL fuels and lubes, and the process is VERY exothermixc, and VERY non-selective. Thus there are a ton of waxes that are produced (just like those evil slack waxes that are taken from crude to make regular Grp III), which are then hydrotreated.

IDENTICAL to grp III from crude. GTL/FT make a ton of wax, the products are stinky, cloudy, and require a LOT of post treatment.

After that they are clear, but so is gasoline!!!

Yet another reason why I laugh when folks are up in arms over grp III derived from crude slack waxes. Because its the same final unit operations to make product.

 

[Nickdfresh]

If I may ask a couple questions of SOPUS:

Do you have any plans to create a "high mileage", fully synthetic lineup mirroring the Platinum and Ultra Platinum lines?

Are you considering a thicker viscosity oil than currently widely available, like the 5W-50/15W-50 weights offered a few years ago? Perhaps marketed to the classic/performance muscle car market?

 

[Solarent]

Petrocanada HT base oils are also water clear. No different from the GTL you have described in that respect.

Funny how SOPUS is jumping on the bandwagon. Chevron has been doing this for years also by promoting its ISOSYN Technology as the base oils in DELO and other Chevron branded oils.

 

[bluesubie]

For those that are asking questions that only SOPUS can answer, please note:

Originally Posted By: SuzanneClerkin
Hello BITOG Members:

To address some of your initial comments, yes, Pennzoil Platinum® and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oils with PurePlus™ Technology are the newest additions to our line of products. And, they are just as ground breaking and innovative as you’ve been speculating!


As promised a few weeks ago, we want your community to be first to know. Given your level of knowledge and the wealth of posts in this thread, we want to give you all the opportunity to submit questions in advance of the official product launch taking place early this spring.

Beginning on Wednesday, Feb 12th, we will open a special thread for all of you to submit your questions to our team in advance of our launch. After a few days of collection, we will then take them back to the full team of scientists, engineers and brand reps to provide with answers to as many of the questions as we can a few weeks later. We’ll provide you with some of the specifics as we get closer, but be sure to keep an eye out for us.

Thank you all for the understanding and enthusiasm.

-The Pennzoil Team


-Dennis

 

[MolaKule]

But dont expect SOPUS to give away any IP stuff such as formulations, ratios of components, etc.

So I would steer away from those kinds of questions.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Mike Simmons
I just returned from the 2014 O'Reilly Manager's Conference and Shell had a booth announcing that Pennzoil Ultra has been made with natural gas since the summer of '13 but that they were just announcing that fact and would begin promotions of this in April. According to the reps, unmatched purity compared with "extracted" oil. It's crystal clear when refined but gets the amber hue when the additive pack is added. I tried to find out the process used to get the oil from the gas, but the reps were unable to tell me the mechanism.

Mike



Merged this thread into the other ongoing one.


This comment is funny about it being clear - key phrase is it is clear after being refined, which is a completely useless and meaningless (technically) use of filler words to make people feel good. I have PRODUCED GTL fuels and lubes, and the process is VERY exothermixc, and VERY non-selective. Thus there are a ton of waxes that are produced (just like those evil slack waxes that are taken from crude to make regular Grp III), which are then hydrotreated.

IDENTICAL to grp III from crude. GTL/FT make a ton of wax, the products are stinky, cloudy, and require a LOT of post treatment.

After that they are clear, but so is gasoline!!!

Yet another reason why I laugh when folks are up in arms over grp III derived from crude slack waxes. Because its the same final unit operations to make product.


I would encourage anyone that is going to be submitting questions to educate themselves before asking those questions
by looking at Page 4 in this thread, post #3269419.