New "King of the 2 cycle Oils"
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http://www.legendperformance.com/products_zx2r.asp
It is rated as a TC-W3 lubricant, so I am not sure what the consequences would be running it in air cooled outdoor power equipment.
Good luck to the Traverse City based company. Maybe we can pin our hopes on them bringing Michigan back from the brink of collapse!
It is rated as a TC-W3 lubricant, so I am not sure what the consequences would be running it in air cooled outdoor power equipment.
Good luck to the Traverse City based company. Maybe we can pin our hopes on them bringing Michigan back from the brink of collapse!
I think it's the LEGEND ZX-2SR not the ZX2R. You know I'm thinking the Shindaiwa One 50:1 synthetic blend just does that and I've always wonder the low viscosity versus the the thicker Amsoil Saber Professional...nothing personal just real world application. It was confusing really! I'm sticking with the synthetic blend Shindaiwa One 50:1...if ain't broke why change!
"LEGEND PERFORMANCE
This is long overdue, but should be worth the wait. As you know, I was contacted about 2 ½ years ago by a snowmobile publication to do an evaluation on your ZX-2R 2-cycle oil. Admittedly skeptical, since I have experimented with quite a few oils over the past couple decades, and being a dealer for what I believed was the best “synthetic” oil currently available, it would be a tough feat to convince me otherwise.
As a fellow Engineer and Engine Builder, I have experienced the cylinder glazing / loss of ring seal / piston ring blow-by and clogged exhaust valves caused by the so-called “best” synthetic oils on the market. I have also experienced the ‘fad oils’ like Blue Marble that are proven to lose HP, (thanks Jim @ Dynotech), yet people still demand because of internet hype etc.
The proof is in the pudding- or oil in this case…
Over the past 2-½ years we have tested the ZX-2R in everything from weed eaters & chainsaws to our motocross bikes and sleds. We have experienced exactly what you claim about this product:
- Easier starting.
- Low to no smoke.
- Crisper throttle response.
- More stable idle and an RPM increase @ idle in many cases.
- No loss of ring seal or blow-by – many teardowns & inspections.
- Extremely low to no wear on internal parts.
- Oil attached to ‘everything’ even under catastrophic conditions.
- Exhaust system remains absolutely clean.
- And yes,,,, chicks do dig the smell!
Probably my fondest or most “memorable” moment was our phone conversation when I switched my personal sled over from Amsoil Dominator to ZX-2R and asked Mark, owner of Legend Performance does this stuff really increase throttle response?” He adamantly stated: “absolutely” and I replied with “Your full of shxx, oil can’t do that”. Oh how I dreaded that call on Monday when I had to make an apology and eat my words. It’s nice to know that you can still buy a product that is what it claims to be without any B.S. attached.
I’d also like to thank you for selecting HOFFMAN PERFORMANCE as one of the few field test report companies in the country for the development of the newest 2-cycle oil in your line: ZX-2SR. We have been testing this oil for over a year now in our grass drag, snowcross and watercross engines and were very impressed. These are all High-HP, hi-rpm engines that run at elevated temperatures in extreme conditions. The level of lubrication & protection from the ZX-2SR is 2nd to none!!
Truly amazing that you were able to improve upon the ZX-2R’s capabilities, this is definitely revolutionary oil, hats off to you and your R & D team! No doubt, more World Speed Records are forthcoming with your superior lubricants….
Mark Hoffman- Owner
HOFFMAN PERFORMANCE
Blossvale, N.Y"
"LEGEND PERFORMANCE
This is long overdue, but should be worth the wait. As you know, I was contacted about 2 ½ years ago by a snowmobile publication to do an evaluation on your ZX-2R 2-cycle oil. Admittedly skeptical, since I have experimented with quite a few oils over the past couple decades, and being a dealer for what I believed was the best “synthetic” oil currently available, it would be a tough feat to convince me otherwise.
As a fellow Engineer and Engine Builder, I have experienced the cylinder glazing / loss of ring seal / piston ring blow-by and clogged exhaust valves caused by the so-called “best” synthetic oils on the market. I have also experienced the ‘fad oils’ like Blue Marble that are proven to lose HP, (thanks Jim @ Dynotech), yet people still demand because of internet hype etc.
The proof is in the pudding- or oil in this case…
Over the past 2-½ years we have tested the ZX-2R in everything from weed eaters & chainsaws to our motocross bikes and sleds. We have experienced exactly what you claim about this product:
- Easier starting.
- Low to no smoke.
- Crisper throttle response.
- More stable idle and an RPM increase @ idle in many cases.
- No loss of ring seal or blow-by – many teardowns & inspections.
- Extremely low to no wear on internal parts.
- Oil attached to ‘everything’ even under catastrophic conditions.
- Exhaust system remains absolutely clean.
- And yes,,,, chicks do dig the smell!
Probably my fondest or most “memorable” moment was our phone conversation when I switched my personal sled over from Amsoil Dominator to ZX-2R and asked Mark, owner of Legend Performance does this stuff really increase throttle response?” He adamantly stated: “absolutely” and I replied with “Your full of shxx, oil can’t do that”. Oh how I dreaded that call on Monday when I had to make an apology and eat my words. It’s nice to know that you can still buy a product that is what it claims to be without any B.S. attached.
I’d also like to thank you for selecting HOFFMAN PERFORMANCE as one of the few field test report companies in the country for the development of the newest 2-cycle oil in your line: ZX-2SR. We have been testing this oil for over a year now in our grass drag, snowcross and watercross engines and were very impressed. These are all High-HP, hi-rpm engines that run at elevated temperatures in extreme conditions. The level of lubrication & protection from the ZX-2SR is 2nd to none!!
Truly amazing that you were able to improve upon the ZX-2R’s capabilities, this is definitely revolutionary oil, hats off to you and your R & D team! No doubt, more World Speed Records are forthcoming with your superior lubricants….
Mark Hoffman- Owner
HOFFMAN PERFORMANCE
Blossvale, N.Y"
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
http://www.legendperformance.com/products_zx2r.asp
It is rated as a TC-W3 lubricant, so I am not sure what the consequences would be running it in air cooled outdoor power equipment.
Good luck to the Traverse City based company. Maybe we can pin our hopes on them bringing Michigan back from the brink of collapse!
Thanks for doing that. That is quite the page I was referring to. Link up and post the ZX-2SR page, not the ZX-2R page along with the "Understanding 2 cycle Lubricants" page. I am having computer problems today. I am interested in everyone's comments as to why they claim it is cleaner burning than anything else on the market.
Hype. Don't you just love it? Actually, I hope this product is as good as they claim it is.
http://www.legendperformance.com/products_zx2r.asp
It is rated as a TC-W3 lubricant, so I am not sure what the consequences would be running it in air cooled outdoor power equipment.
Good luck to the Traverse City based company. Maybe we can pin our hopes on them bringing Michigan back from the brink of collapse!
Thanks for doing that. That is quite the page I was referring to. Link up and post the ZX-2SR page, not the ZX-2R page along with the "Understanding 2 cycle Lubricants" page. I am having computer problems today. I am interested in everyone's comments as to why they claim it is cleaner burning than anything else on the market.
Hype. Don't you just love it? Actually, I hope this product is as good as they claim it is.
Oops, my apologies...could have sworn I had the right link:
http://legendperformance.com/products_zx2sr.asp
After looking at their web site, it is hard for me to believe their marketing pitch. It seems that they specialize in high performance snowmobile modifications and that they are trying to market some "really special" products to boost their profit margin. They may have hit a home run with this 2 cycle oil, but I am skeptical based on other products they market.
For instance, this gizmo that injects nano water particles into your gas auto or truck to improve mileage 15 to 40%:
“HYDROCHARGER”TM “Atomizer”
• Use on any gasoline car or truck
• Improves fuel mileage 15-40%, adds 50-150 mile range per tank full*
(*varies by tank size)
• Engines run smoother, quieter with more response and power
• Reduces exhaust emissions 50-80%, lowers exhaust temperature
• Internally cleans combustion chambers, pistons and rings
• Doubles oil life, less frequent oil changes, extends engine life
• Easy to install, add water every 1000-2000 miles, no other service required
$375.00 USD
And, their K-100 fuel additive.....take it for what it's worth (really), but this site has a specific warning to avoid K-100 and all it claims to do.
http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_additive_safe_with_e10_list.html
http://legendperformance.com/products_zx2sr.asp
After looking at their web site, it is hard for me to believe their marketing pitch. It seems that they specialize in high performance snowmobile modifications and that they are trying to market some "really special" products to boost their profit margin. They may have hit a home run with this 2 cycle oil, but I am skeptical based on other products they market.
For instance, this gizmo that injects nano water particles into your gas auto or truck to improve mileage 15 to 40%:
• Use on any gasoline car or truck
• Improves fuel mileage 15-40%, adds 50-150 mile range per tank full*
(*varies by tank size)
• Engines run smoother, quieter with more response and power
• Reduces exhaust emissions 50-80%, lowers exhaust temperature
• Internally cleans combustion chambers, pistons and rings
• Doubles oil life, less frequent oil changes, extends engine life
• Easy to install, add water every 1000-2000 miles, no other service required
$375.00 USD
And, their K-100 fuel additive.....take it for what it's worth (really), but this site has a specific warning to avoid K-100 and all it claims to do.
http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_additive_safe_with_e10_list.html
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Nano particles!!!it must be good. Is it NASCAR licsenced???
Their 2 cycle oil might be legitimate, but then they go and spew this stuff to ruin their credibility: I like the "complex physics" statement
The Legend Performance, Inc. “HYDROCHARGER”TM “Atomizer”- uses "pressure differential" vacuum/water molecule separation technology. The operating principle utilizes an engines vacuum signal (vacuum hose to manifold vacuum source) routed to a special sealed container filled with distilled water(H20) that through complex physics creates an “ionization” effect of the water molecules thereby forming a finely “atomized” nano-sized vapor. An ion is simply a molecule that has gained or lost an electron. A positive ion is a molecule that has lost an electron, a negative ion is generally an oxygen molecule that has gained an electron.
These charged atoms are created in nature by sunlight, moving water, air currents and radiation, all of which cause electrons to leave hydrogen (water=H2O), nitrogen (78% of the atmosphere we breath), and other molecules, and attach themselves to oxygen molecules.
These near microscopic “atomized” super-charged molecules are converted to reactive oxygen through the physics of vacuum/ionization acting within the “HYDROCHARGER”TM “Atomizer”. When combined with gasoline and ignited in the combustion chamber the atomic power of hydrogen and oxygen (H2O) is released and acts as a catalyst to support more complete combustion.
The Legend Performance, Inc. “HYDROCHARGER”TM “Atomizer”- uses "pressure differential" vacuum/water molecule separation technology. The operating principle utilizes an engines vacuum signal (vacuum hose to manifold vacuum source) routed to a special sealed container filled with distilled water(H20) that through complex physics creates an “ionization” effect of the water molecules thereby forming a finely “atomized” nano-sized vapor. An ion is simply a molecule that has gained or lost an electron. A positive ion is a molecule that has lost an electron, a negative ion is generally an oxygen molecule that has gained an electron.
These charged atoms are created in nature by sunlight, moving water, air currents and radiation, all of which cause electrons to leave hydrogen (water=H2O), nitrogen (78% of the atmosphere we breath), and other molecules, and attach themselves to oxygen molecules.
These near microscopic “atomized” super-charged molecules are converted to reactive oxygen through the physics of vacuum/ionization acting within the “HYDROCHARGER”TM “Atomizer”. When combined with gasoline and ignited in the combustion chamber the atomic power of hydrogen and oxygen (H2O) is released and acts as a catalyst to support more complete combustion.
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Originally Posted By: Best F100
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
http://www.legendperformance.com/products_zx2r.asp
It is rated as a TC-W3 lubricant, so I am not sure what the consequences would be running it in air cooled outdoor power equipment.
Good luck to the Traverse City based company. Maybe we can pin our hopes on them bringing Michigan back from the brink of collapse!
Thanks for doing that. That is quite the page I was referring to. Link up and post the ZX-2SR page, not the ZX-2R page along with the "Understanding 2 cycle Lubricants" page. I am having computer problems today. I am interested in everyone's comments as to why they claim it is cleaner burning than anything else on the market.
Hype. Don't you just love it? Actually, I hope this product is as good as they claim it is.
Never said I did use their product never heard of them! PS if the Shindaiwa 50:1 synthetic blend has done well and also PLEASE if I could use Amsoil Saber Professional I would love to try that on a commercial level BUT I have no choice! It's what is being issued and whatever what type of 2 cycle is being used hard core maintenance is still the key in longevity Tear it down and clean it after so many hours ... clean everything out!
Maintenance is and will always be the key in longevity, just my personal opinion that's the first step!
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
http://www.legendperformance.com/products_zx2r.asp
It is rated as a TC-W3 lubricant, so I am not sure what the consequences would be running it in air cooled outdoor power equipment.
Good luck to the Traverse City based company. Maybe we can pin our hopes on them bringing Michigan back from the brink of collapse!
Thanks for doing that. That is quite the page I was referring to. Link up and post the ZX-2SR page, not the ZX-2R page along with the "Understanding 2 cycle Lubricants" page. I am having computer problems today. I am interested in everyone's comments as to why they claim it is cleaner burning than anything else on the market.
Hype. Don't you just love it? Actually, I hope this product is as good as they claim it is.
Never said I did use their product never heard of them! PS if the Shindaiwa 50:1 synthetic blend has done well and also PLEASE if I could use Amsoil Saber Professional I would love to try that on a commercial level BUT I have no choice! It's what is being issued and whatever what type of 2 cycle is being used hard core maintenance is still the key in longevity Tear it down and clean it after so many hours ... clean everything out!
Maintenance is and will always be the key in longevity, just my personal opinion that's the first step!
If the hydrocharger worked all the oems would have one in every car/truck they sold. With the mpg improvements and the lower emissions bla bla bla
Originally Posted By: Steve S
If the hydrocharger worked all the oems would have one in every car/truck they sold. With the mpg improvements and the lower emissions bla bla bla
Whose talking of the hydro=stuff I thought the OP was talking of the 2 cycle oil?
If the hydrocharger worked all the oems would have one in every car/truck they sold. With the mpg improvements and the lower emissions bla bla bla
Whose talking of the hydro=stuff I thought the OP was talking of the 2 cycle oil?
You are correct, Mamala Bay....my apologies for taking it off topic. The OP is looking for some discussion on the merits of ZX-2SR.
Here is the company's explanation as to why they think their product is an improvement over OEM's synthetic oil recommendations for their sleds.
Maybe some experts will read it and respond.
http://legendperformance.com/article5.asp
Note that this article seems to be about their ZX-2R product and not the ZX-2SR. Confusing.
Here is the company's explanation as to why they think their product is an improvement over OEM's synthetic oil recommendations for their sleds.
Maybe some experts will read it and respond.
http://legendperformance.com/article5.asp
Note that this article seems to be about their ZX-2R product and not the ZX-2SR. Confusing.
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