New BC Castrol Edge 0w-30 with Titanium
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Originally Posted By: 209paulc
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I just hit 5.1K with 0W40, must say it seems smoother toward 5K than M1.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9sy90zqaipio3vf/IMG_20150410_191747.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bx1ub6k76z56ww6/IMG_20150410_191804.jpg?dl=0
I just hit 5.1K with 0W40, must say it seems smoother toward 5K than M1.
Interesting... I just bought some 0w30 a little less than a month ago and it didn't have the Titanium additive either. Bummer. I would've waited for this. Thanks for the heads up!
SL? I wonder why the obsolete spec.
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SL? I wonder why the obsolete spec.
Can't do A3/B4 in a 30 grade with an ILSAC level of phosphorous.
This is where you see API/ILSAC unwind as they are targetting fuel economy HTHS, and 1qt/1,000 mile "normal" oil consumption.
The manufacturers producing the high performance 30s can't do SM, SN.
SL? I wonder why the obsolete spec.
Can't do A3/B4 in a 30 grade with an ILSAC level of phosphorous.
This is where you see API/ILSAC unwind as they are targetting fuel economy HTHS, and 1qt/1,000 mile "normal" oil consumption.
The manufacturers producing the high performance 30s can't do SM, SN.
Thanks Shannow. Is there any downside to running SL with the CAT or emission system?
Trav, chicken and egg...
the OEMS want to be able to call 1qt/1000 miles "normal", so they don't have to do warranty repairs on cars that you or I would call lemons.
So they limit the P to levels that won't kill cats with that level of consumption.
What is most telling is that the 40s (and there's no US OEMS specifying 40s anymore) have a very much higher level of P available to them.for example, see the Oz site
http://castroledge.com.au/oils/5w30-a3/b4
the 5W30 is stuck at SL (with all other performance parameters SN), while the 5W40 is SN.
When (argumentatively), a 30 grade A3/B4 is probably a stouter oil with less consumption/volatility than a similar "W"ed 40.
the OEMS want to be able to call 1qt/1000 miles "normal", so they don't have to do warranty repairs on cars that you or I would call lemons.
So they limit the P to levels that won't kill cats with that level of consumption.
What is most telling is that the 40s (and there's no US OEMS specifying 40s anymore) have a very much higher level of P available to them.for example, see the Oz site
http://castroledge.com.au/oils/5w30-a3/b4
the 5W30 is stuck at SL (with all other performance parameters SN), while the 5W40 is SN.
When (argumentatively), a 30 grade A3/B4 is probably a stouter oil with less consumption/volatility than a similar "W"ed 40.
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Splitting hairs but SL is not obsolete; at least not in the US/according to API.
CURRENT AND OBSOLETE GRAPH
Originally Posted By: Trav
SL? I wonder why the obsolete spec.
CURRENT AND OBSOLETE GRAPH
Originally Posted By: Trav
SL? I wonder why the obsolete spec.
I am only familiar with this one.
http://www.castrol.com/de_de/germany/products/cars/engine-oils/castrol-edge/product-range.html
http://www.castrol.com/de_de/germany/products/cars/engine-oils/castrol-edge/product-range.html
Originally Posted By: Trav
I am only familiar with this one.
http://www.castrol.com/de_de/germany/products/cars/engine-oils/castrol-edge/product-range.html
Mostly C3, which is HTHS 3.5 and little to do with API 30s and ILSAC
I am only familiar with this one.
http://www.castrol.com/de_de/germany/products/cars/engine-oils/castrol-edge/product-range.html
Mostly C3, which is HTHS 3.5 and little to do with API 30s and ILSAC
Which one would you say is is better for a later model VW say a 2012?
Depends where car is. For US A3/B4 would be better suited. For Europe C3 version is preferred due to a better petrol used here.
Europe.
I personally prefer A3/B4 over C3 oils ( in same price range), but don't really think that using it over C3 specified oil will help in any way in a normal day-to-day driving over 20k oci.
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Originally Posted By: 209paulc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9sy90zqaipio3vf/IMG_20150410_191747.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bx1ub6k76z56ww6/IMG_20150410_191804.jpg?dl=0
I just hit 5.1K with 0W40, must say it seems smoother toward 5K than M1.
I think I would trust M1 with all its OEM approvals vs "it feeling smoother"
Not really a M1 koolaid person but their 0w40 and 0w20ep are both absolutely outstanding oils.
Originally Posted By: 209paulc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9sy90zqaipio3vf/IMG_20150410_191747.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bx1ub6k76z56ww6/IMG_20150410_191804.jpg?dl=0
I just hit 5.1K with 0W40, must say it seems smoother toward 5K than M1.
I think I would trust M1 with all its OEM approvals vs "it feeling smoother"
Not really a M1 koolaid person but their 0w40 and 0w20ep are both absolutely outstanding oils.
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Thanks Shannow. Is there any downside to running SL with the CAT or emission system?
Nope, I think still the best oil for Euro gassers that require VW 502.00, MB 229.5, BMW LL-01. Problem is price compare to 0W40 version.
I used 0W30 before Wal Mart started to carry M1 for $26 5qt and Castrol 0W40 for same price. Best oil IMHO.
Thanks Shannow. Is there any downside to running SL with the CAT or emission system?
Nope, I think still the best oil for Euro gassers that require VW 502.00, MB 229.5, BMW LL-01. Problem is price compare to 0W40 version.
I used 0W30 before Wal Mart started to carry M1 for $26 5qt and Castrol 0W40 for same price. Best oil IMHO.
This car is in Germany, you cant compare the oils that are available in the US.
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Thanks Shannow. Is there any downside to running SL with the CAT or emission system?
Trav, to put Shannow's response in another way, the SL-spec 0W30 in question has pretty much the exact same ZDDP levels that the SN-spec 0W40 or 5W40 equivalents would have (we're talking strictly ACEA Ax/Bx oils, NOT Cx oils). So really, there is no difference in "CAT harming" additive levels between the SL 30 grade and the SN 40 grade. This is because the API limits SN 20 and 30 grade oils in terms of allowable Phos levels, but does not limit SN 40 or 50 grade oils. So, an oil can have a lot of ZDDP and be called SN if it is 40/50 grade, but the exact same oil in a 30 grade cannot be called SN (must be SL).
So choose any ACEA A3/B4 rated oil with appropriate VW specs for the car in question and don't worry about the semantics behind the SL/SN ratings (where they largely do not have any relevance in this case).
Thanks Shannow. Is there any downside to running SL with the CAT or emission system?
Trav, to put Shannow's response in another way, the SL-spec 0W30 in question has pretty much the exact same ZDDP levels that the SN-spec 0W40 or 5W40 equivalents would have (we're talking strictly ACEA Ax/Bx oils, NOT Cx oils). So really, there is no difference in "CAT harming" additive levels between the SL 30 grade and the SN 40 grade. This is because the API limits SN 20 and 30 grade oils in terms of allowable Phos levels, but does not limit SN 40 or 50 grade oils. So, an oil can have a lot of ZDDP and be called SN if it is 40/50 grade, but the exact same oil in a 30 grade cannot be called SN (must be SL).
So choose any ACEA A3/B4 rated oil with appropriate VW specs for the car in question and don't worry about the semantics behind the SL/SN ratings (where they largely do not have any relevance in this case).
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