New 2008 F-150 oil change

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: Steve S
To be honest unless the engine requires a syn oil or you are doing long oil change intervals or real extreme cold or heat like running the autobahn, nascar racing etc. there is really no advantage other than spending more $$$ per oil change. It is not doing the best for your engine because the syn oil advantages will not be realized, lie using a 30 foot ladder to get on a 12 foot roof. The last few generations of oil have been great.


Comparing dino to synthetic....isn't synthetic oil "cleaner" than dino because it is made in a lab so to speak?

 

[sHERM]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: sHERM
Why not? I will change the oil about 3 times a year. If I use a Syn it will cost me about $60.00 a year more than a good dino.

Why would I not use the best oil I believe I can get. If nothing else, it's makes me feel like I'm doing the best for my engine.

I realize a Dino might do just as good, but for me, I only use Syn in all mine and my kids vehicles.



Because in the end it does not matter!

Only $60 a year equals $600 in ten years. If you go 18mpg with that truck, that is 3600 miles worth of gas if gas stays $3 a gallon.

(I crack myself up, gas staying @ $3 a gallon..)

I've made 200k+ on many engines and over 300k+ on one with *yesterdays* conventional oils.

Todays oils are much better. ANY 5w-20 is going to be Semi-Syn.

The oil companies THANK YOU! Its your mindset that they love.

Really, unless you can take advantage of major sales to get the cost lower OR EXTEND the OCI (which I would not while you are under warranty which we discussed above) I would look at ANY 5w-20 based on cost.

Lets put it this way, IF you had a accident the insurance company will not pay you any more for the car if you used Syn. Or put new tires on it. They go by the book. Same with a sale.

(call your insurance agent or go run your car at KBB.com, Edmunds.com or NADA.com. You will notice there is no where to input what type of oil used when getting a quote on how much your car/truck is worth.)

But again, money spent is your business.

I've done UOAs with both Syn and Conventional and in normal OCIs in a I4, V6 and V8 the tests came back with the conventional being just as good if not better than the syn. Syn really is only needed for engines that NEED it or extended OCIs.

Just something to think about.

Take care, bill


$600.00 in ten years, [censored] I'll spend more than that on bubble gum. Actually since I'm only going to keep the truck for 5 years, I'll only spend an extra $300.00. WEW, Now I feel better, I'll stick with the Syn.

 

[Bulli]

I Drive a stock Civic and i use M1 5-20 and i dont care what others say"its a Honda man it will last forever on dino" well i had a Honda that was on dino and the bearing wore down at around 110k miles. With the 07 Honda, i Dont plan on selling it at all so i dont see any downside from using synthetic. Its only about 10 buck more then dino no big deal for me.

 

[sHERM]

I'm the same way Bulli, [censored] vehicles are expensive, and I sllep better knowing I am doing all i can do to make it last

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: sHERM
I'm the same way Bulli, [censored] vehicles are expensive, and I sllep better knowing I am doing all i can do to make it last


If that is the way you feel. But can you show me that synthetic oils perform better than conventionals in reguards to wear protection?

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: sHERM
Actually since I'm only going to keep the truck for 5 years, I'll only spend an extra $300.00. WEW, Now I feel better, I'll stick with the Syn.


Since you are going to keep the truck for only 5 years it would be more of a reason for you to use conventional oil as it will protect just as well and keep it clean for 5 years. I totally agree with Bill in Utah.

 

[Bulli]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: sHERM
I'm the same way Bulli, [censored] vehicles are expensive, and I sllep better knowing I am doing all i can do to make it last


If that is the way you feel. But can you show me that synthetic oils perform better than conventionals in reguards to wear protection?


start up protection is an obvious factor.
other then wear im not sure but i would assume they do perform better. clean the engine out better and perform better on race vehicles. so they must take more stress then dino

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: Bulli
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: sHERM
I'm the same way Bulli, [censored] vehicles are expensive, and I sllep better knowing I am doing all i can do to make it last


If that is the way you feel. But can you show me that synthetic oils perform better than conventionals in reguards to wear protection?


start up protection is an obvious factor.
other then wear im not sure but i would assume they do perform better. clean the engine out better and perform better on race vehicles. so they must take more stress then dino
Explain better startup protection , and stock car engines unless raced will not "see" the kind of stress a race engine"sees"

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: tackleberry625
Originally Posted By: Steve S
To be honest unless the engine requires a syn oil or you are doing long oil change intervals or real extreme cold or heat like running the autobahn, nascar racing etc. there is really no advantage other than spending more $$$ per oil change. It is not doing the best for your engine because the syn oil advantages will not be realized, lie using a 30 foot ladder to get on a 12 foot roof. The last few generations of oil have been great.


Comparing dino to synthetic....isn't synthetic oil "cleaner" than dino because it is made in a lab so to speak?
Gp II oils are clean enough. Gp II GpII+ GPIII GPIII+ are fine oils syn oil aren't a whole lot if any better.

 

[ChiTDI]

sHerm - Does your owners manual state "semi-synthetic" as well as 5w20?
I've seen factory repair manuals for Fords that do, that would help with the issue.
Good choice on the filters too - Napa Gold.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: sHERM


$600.00 in ten years, [censored] I'll spend more than that on bubble gum. Actually since I'm only going to keep the truck for 5 years, I'll only spend an extra $300.00. WEW, Now I feel better, I'll stick with the Syn.


Ok, don't let any actual facts get in your way.

You are wasting your time here on the board.

Since your doing the "best" (in your mind) just continue with that and I guess we will not see you posting any more questions.

Take care, bill

PS: You spend way too much for bubble gun too!

 

[BarkerMan]

A construction company here in L.A. did a test of different oils about 2 years ago. Most of their trucks are Fords and a few are the old style Tundra's. I did the samples and setup the tests for them. They tried Motorcraft, Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum all 5w-20's. Their range was cheapest MC, expensive PP and really expensive M1. They changed the oil every 5k miles and the 20 trucks saw 20 to 40k miles a year. All performed about the same with PP the best and MC and M1 very close to each other right behind PP. They chose MC based now on price. MC was not the absolute best but was really close but it was the best value. These trucks see plenty of hot weather and were never really abused but saw duty tougher than the average private owner would dish out. MC may not look like much in the spec's but I think it's a good example of a package that does the job well. That test was a little over 2 years ago and several trucks have hit their retirement age but are being kept because they still run well. One last comment. As a standard procedure they change the oil on all new trucks at 1k and then in 4k miles. They it goes to every 5k miles. In twenty years they have found problems on 7 trucks that took them right back to the dealers. That sounds like a low number but for me I think it's a good idea for any new vehicle (no flames, please).

 

[sHERM]

I'm confused, Don't synthetics typically have better results in four ball test, does that mean anything?

 

[hominid7]

Originally Posted By: sHERM
WOW, So I should keep the receipts If I change my own oil?


Yes, if you want FordMoCo to cover your engine during the warranty period. In addition to saving the receipts you need to write down the mileage and date of the oil change as well as save a receipt for the oil filter.

If you buy supplies in bulk, simply save the receipt and document everything and you should be ok.

I print out a receipt of my own that shows the date, mileage and what services were performed and i staple a copy of all receipts related to said service to the back.

Sloppy records will make them dig further, neat records will have the opposite effect.

 

[hominid7]

Originally Posted By: sHERM
I'm the same way Bulli, [censored] vehicles are expensive, and I sllep better knowing I am doing all i can do to make it last


From most of the UOA i've read i would tend to think it would be hard to do better than Motorcraft 5w20 and a motorcraft filter.

My walmart sells the motorcraft 5w20 in nice 5 qt jugs.

 

[Lakersguy]

Originally Posted By: hominid7
Originally Posted By: sHERM
I'm the same way Bulli, [censored] vehicles are expensive, and I sllep better knowing I am doing all i can do to make it last


From most of the UOA i've read i would tend to think it would be hard to do better than Motorcraft 5w20 and a motorcraft filter.

My walmart sells the motorcraft 5w20 in nice 5 qt jugs.


I agree, the only reason to go full synth. is if you drive a ton of miles and you plan on keeping your truck along time

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: hominid7
Originally Posted By: sHERM
WOW, So I should keep the receipts If I change my own oil?


Yes, if you want FordMoCo to cover your engine during the warranty period. In addition to saving the receipts you need to write down the mileage and date of the oil change as well as save a receipt for the oil filter.

If you buy supplies in bulk, simply save the receipt and document everything and you should be ok.

I print out a receipt of my own that shows the date, mileage and what services were performed and i staple a copy of all receipts related to said service to the back.

Sloppy records will make them dig further, neat records will have the opposite effect.

Esp the LAST line.