need me some new all-seasons for the maxima.

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My brother's 98 maxima is going to need tires soon. Currently has some yoko avids with about 60k on them but showing signs of dryrott.

205/65/15 is the size. Being in chicago, we get decent amount of snow every now and then but city does a fair enough job as to cleaning it. He will be doing a lot of highway travel as well. Just want/need a decent all season tire that works decent in the snow. Trying to save some $$ as its coming out of my pocket. all rates are tirerack, haven't checked localed places.

-Sumitomo HTR A/S P01 (H&V) @ $66, looks good but snow rating not so hot. I love their summer rated tires
-General Altimax HP @ $75, heard good things about general exclaims so i figure this line should be good as well.
-Yokohama AVID TRZ @ $83, stick with what worked?
-Yokohama AVID ENVigor (H&V) @ $87, same thoughts

I'm open to any and all ideas, brands. I dont have a dislike towards anything. I'm thinking of going the HTR route because of price and its does everything but snow good. I think for the price it cant/shouldn't be beat. Hankooks H727 @75 came to mind but diffrent speed rating or something it does't show up on tirerack due to the T rating. No sure if thats only speed rating or handling but T is like 117mph. This car shouldn't be going over 90mph AFAIK my brother isn't a speed demon, just a mild speeder.

Thanks guys
 
I've heard the AVID Envigor's are horrible in snow from people who live out your way. Great in the summer, horrible in the winter.

I'd stick with the Yoko TRZ's since they seem to work for you.
 
I bought Yokohama AVID TRZ for my Sentra because of the 80,000 mile rating. Very hard rubber with high vibration. This is the first set of tires from Yokohama that I didn't like. Discount Tire recommended that I purchase the 60,000 mile version but I didn't listen. These tires are poor in adverse conditions.
 
Out of yours listed, the Generals will be the best in the snow (by far). I'd also look at/suggest Hankook H727s ($75). They are rated high everywhere (TR, CR, DTD, etc.). They are excellent in snow. My dad has them (lives in NW IA) on his Montego. People also seem to like the P4s, but they are pricey compared to the rest.
 
Altimax HP - brilliant overall tire - my wife's Elantra will get its 2nd set this month. VERY good in light snow - my wife felt confident with those tires in light snow and rain. smooth, quiet ride in dry conditions.

They look great, too
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and immense bang for the $, IMO
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Don't know how they work in snow, but the Toyo Proxes 4 is an excellent all season tire. Holds up well, too.


Those were my favorite tire on my Maxima. They came with Potenzas. At 40k I swapped them out for Toyos, which lasted until the dealer talked the wife into changing to Hankooks at about 95k. I'm looking at Michelin Primacys in a year or so.
 
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
Out of yours listed, the Generals will be the best in the snow (by far). I'd also look at/suggest Hankook H727s ($75). They are rated high everywhere (TR, CR, DTD, etc.). They are excellent in snow. My dad has them (lives in NW IA) on his Montego. People also seem to like the P4s, but they are pricey compared to the rest.

I agree. On the list Generals is the best snow capable and I like Hankook Optimo H727 better. It costs less than Generals and has longer tread life while everything is slightly better, what not to like ?
 
bowlofturtle,

I'd have to say, "stick with what worked"! The AVID TRZ have worked for you.

Or, move to a tire that will do even better in the snow/ice which would be the Pirelli P4's and Hankook Optimo H727's. We have both in our household and they're both great all season tires that are wonderful in the snow/ice.

The Pirelli P4's would be the better handling of the two(slightly) and the H727's would be the better riding/quiet(er) tire but, not by much as the P4's aren't bad riding nor loud. All, providing either of these tires come in your size.

Other tires that show to be a good A/S tires is the General Altimax RT and the Cooper CS4, especially in the foul weather.
 
My big question is H727's are T rated tires. I can find them when i go by size only on TR, but if i enter that i own a maxima they are excluded any many show me H rated tires. Is it just a speed rating? or is there more to it then that. Is it just not safe to ride on a lower rated tire?

i'm very open to tires. Everyone here mentioned tires i've all heard before. those Nokians are hard to find and seems to be in the $125 area.


General Altimax HP and H727 are at the top of list at $75 each. Once i learn about the tire rating and etc. Like i stated earlier i dont expect my brother to be going over 100mph. As i told him, new IL laws states he could to 6 months jail time and spend about $5000 in lawyer fees if he got caught.
 
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You should check out the Michelin Harmonys. They give a smooth, quiet ride. If you're more interested in handling and performance rather than a smooth comfortable ride, this tire is not for you.
 
i would normally get something in line with a better handling ride but this is my brother, college student, 1st car, just need to get to A to B. Mainly home safely which is about 150 miles away from college.

Trying to target a good blend of bang for the buck tire. Which can handle the snow. This should be the last set of tires this car gets within our ownership, since its at 120k-ish now.
 
Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle


My big question is H727's are T rated tires. I can find them when i go by size only on TR, but if i enter that i own a maxima they are excluded any many show me H rated tires. Is it just a speed rating? or is there more to it then that. Is it just not safe to ride on a lower rated tire?

i'm very open to tires. Everyone here mentioned tires i've all heard before. those Nokians are hard to find and seems to be in the $125 area.


General Altimax HP and H727 are at the top of list at $75 each. Once i learn about the tire rating and etc. Like i stated earlier i dont expect my brother to be going over 100mph. As i told him, new IL laws states he could to 6 months jail time and spend about $5000 in lawyer fees if he got caught.


I can only answer this question for myself. But, for normal to illegal speeds(up to 118 mph), a "T" speed rated tire is fine. It all just depends on the steering responce and cornering ability you desire over ride quality and a variety of others factors as well.

NOTE: I don't encourage speeds beyond the leagle limits.

I have gone to all "T" rated tires from "H" rated tires on all of my cars and can't tell a bit of difference especially when staying with higher rated/scoring tested tires. I have owned in many cases, better "T" rated tires compared to other "H" rated tires. And have made this comment in other posts.

I now buy tires not only by the tested rating/score but my personal criteria for my/our particular driving style and climate in which we live as well as the vehicle that the tires will be installed on. You can tweek your criteria anyway you'd like; "a little bit more of this, and a little bit less of that"!

Read the ratings! Compare the models! Look for tires that score high in the ares that are most important to you/your brother. Search costomer reviews for tire of interest. Look for reviews on tires from those who drive Maxima's and see what their likes/dislikes are. Doesn't matter if the tire you choose is a "T" or "H" rated tire as long as you buy the tire that best fits your criteria.

Good luck
 
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+1 on Char Baby's comments.

Optimo H727s have much longer projected tread wear than Altimax HPs. I am currently running Optimo H727s on my Mazda MPV (which is OE spec'ed for H rated tires) and tread life appears comparable to Michelin HydroEdges. I highly recommend both Michelin HydroEdges and Hankook Optimo H727s, but the H727s reportedly perform much better snow. (I can't comment based on personal experience with both tires because I almost never drive in snow.)
 
Originally Posted By: ponderosaTX
+1 on Char Baby's comments.

Optimo H727s have much longer projected tread wear than Altimax HPs. I am currently running Optimo H727s on my Mazda MPV (which is OE spec'ed for H rated tires) and tread life appears comparable to Michelin HydroEdges. I highly recommend both Michelin HydroEdges and Hankook Optimo H727s, but the H727s reportedly perform much better snow. (I can't comment based on personal experience with both tires because I almost never drive in snow.)


My neice has 4 Michelin HydorEdge's on her Honda Civic and loves'em this past winter. And my daughter has 4 Optimp H727's on her Mazda3 and had no complaints what-so-ever traveling through the snow either.

Neither girl mentions any life altrering experiences with their tires, just that there are no issues. No noises, viberations/shimmys, pulling, nothing! Both claim that the tires are better than the previous tires that were on their cars'.

IDK what was OE on an '05 Civic LX(15") but my neice and her husband told me that the OE tires didn't hold the road in the snowy/slushy/icey downtown traffic and hiwy driving could be a bit white knuckeled. With the HydroEdge, no issues.

My daughters '06 Mazda 3 had Dunolp Signature(not OE) on when she bought in used in '09. The Dunlop's were noisy(sounded like wheel bearings), vibrated in the hiwy even after balancing, were waring uneven even with a proper alignment. Replaced them with H727's around Oct 2010 for the 2011 winter in which it was brutal.

People are very misinformed when it comes to the speed rating on their tires. And many tire stores are of little help to customers in need, especially when customers want to change from a higher speed rating down to a lower speed rating. This is why folks need to come here at BITOG first!

Sure, if you're going to drive a vehicle like you stole it, you need the proper speed rating and tire construction. I do beleive in the proper tire for a vehicles/owners driving condition/style. I don't beleive in putting on a tire with a "T" speed rating on a car that's going to the track on the weekend.

But, if you're the type of driver that is looking for value, longevity, foul weather concerns, often with better ride/handling too, then for everyday type of driving in the city/hiwy even at above national speed limits, then there is nothing wrong with "stepping down" to a "T" speed rated tire from an "H" rated tire. I do it all the time. And I don't want to call it, "stepping down" as I often feel that I have move up in tire quality by changing in a lower speed rated/longer wearing tire with a higher test score/customer reviews and satisfaction.

Many, not all but, many "T" rated tires(the ones spoken of here) outscore quite a few "H" rated tires in all other very important areas of concern and in turn, match them in wet/dry handling/hydroplaining resistance too! Usually, Ta-Daaa, all for less money!

I do think that Hankook should and will offer an "H" rated tire in the Optimo H727, leaving all of the good things in place and improve on the speed rating and rolling resistance.
 
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
People are very misinformed when it comes to the speed rating on their tires. And many tire stores are of little help to customers in need, especially when customers want to change from a higher speed rating down to a lower speed rating.


Many tire stores in my area simply will not do this. I am sure they are worried about liability issues.

I recently put tires on my employee's Mustang and the shop would not even sell me anything that didn't equal the OE spec.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
People are very misinformed when it comes to the speed rating on their tires. And many tire stores are of little help to customers in need, especially when customers want to change from a higher speed rating down to a lower speed rating.


Many tire stores in my area simply will not do this. I am sure they are worried about liability issues.

I recently put tires on my employee's Mustang and the shop would not even sell me anything that didn't equal the OE spec.



This is why I took matters into my own hands. I am tired of putting up with the liability issue from tire stores that can't put on tires that I really want for the way that I drive. Frotunatly, I usually buy vehicles with tires that are easliy replaceable and to my liking. So, this usually isn't an issue. But, it could be!

I buy tires from my favorite online stores(TireRack, DiscTireDrct, Treadepot) and have them installed localy at my favorite installer(Wal*Mart). But, recently I have read that W*M isn't doing installs any longer. I have to find this out for myself as I may have to find another installer.
 
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The local Wal-Mart put on the +0 sized 205/50-16 Continentals onto our Fit after we confirmed that Honda did in fact offer that +0 size from the factory. Which they do with the optional $$$$ Mugen rims. Otherwise they wouldn't have installed them due to its not being the oddball, impossible to find OEM size, and left us to drive around with one tire sporting a large bubble in the sidewall.

They were also quite picky about speed rating, and told us that they wouldn't install a lower-rated tire than OEM. I immediately asked about snow tires, and the guy didn't respond.

OP, how are you making out with your choices?
 
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