Need legal advice.

[Bandito440]

Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Hopefully he learns the stupidity of shacking up from this.


Amen brother! He and I had a long "chat" about this very thing when he did it, but he did it anyway.

He did pay rent and part of the power bill when he was living there as well as buy groceries, (or contribute to the grocery bill).

Great ideas guys - especially the registered letter. I will give them tomorrow to return my calls/texts. If no response, I will send a registered letter on Thursday of this week. If no response from that, a visit to the local police department will be my next move.

Again, great ideas guys - keep 'em coming.

Send it Priority Mail/Adult Signature/Restricted Delivery. This is important so you'll have the signature of the person you sent it to. You can create an account on USPS.com and do that right from your computer, print a label, and put it in your mailbox.

Originally Posted By: zach1900
Women be crazy

Here here!

 

[Scott_mi]

I won't quite say the police won't do anything. I'm sure they deal with angry partners/lovers not letting someone get their stuff often enough. I would suggest calling the police department, explaining the situation and find out what they can/will do for you. (I've heard it called a civil stand-by) Basically they are standing by on hand to keep everything civil.

Once you find out what they can and will do, make one more call to the GF and explain that you've contacted the police and they'll be paying a visit with you to sort it out unless they want to set a time and day for you to remove the stuff yourself.

The fear of the idea of an officer showing up may result in being allowed to get the stuff. IF not, the cop actually showing up may do it, but the officer can't force them to let you in or force the return of the stuff. They may even deny the stuff being there. If none of that works, small claims court where you may even get solicited to show up on judge judy!!

 

[GreeCguy]

We do have proof the "X" box is his as we still have the receipt, (it was a birthday present).

One reason he asked me to do this is because he's in Arizona in "AIT" training for the Army. They live a few miles away from my house and we thought it would be an easy/no problem chore. "Hey, it didn't work out, sorry."

Instead, they are being difficult and rude. It's been unexpected. I guess I'm pretty naïve about these things as I never had to go through any of this. I met my wife, we dated, got married and have been together through thick and thin for almost 30 years.

I'll keep you guys in the loop as this little drama plays out.

 

[spackard]

First you need a power of attorney, just a general one, can look for it on the 'Net, your son has to sign it and give you the legal power. Then you can attach it to your demand.

When you send the demand, send two copies, one "certified mail, return receipt", the other "first class". Some people won't sign the first one, but you can argue to the judge you've tried to contact the other party using both methods, and the first-class letter did not come back undeliverable.

 

[Scott_mi]

Another thing I just seen after some google reading. This isn't specifically state related or may not be entirely accurate, but I've seen and read about this kind of thing with long term guests and what happens.


Since he's lived there for as long as he did, and considering he presumable had a key, had mail delivered there, unrestricted access to the house, and belongings moved in he is more than just a guest. He has established a residency that offers certain rights and protection and would actually require a formal eviction.

Not exactly sure how that would be best used in this situation but none the less, just an FYI

Same kind of deal if you read any of the articles about squatters in home while people are on vacation, or the live in nanny who stopped doing her job but still lived there because they couldn't just kick her out.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Reason you need the police to escort you over there is so you'll have legal witness in case it gets ugly,or you could approach them at their door and THEY could call the police and say you threatened them,assaulted them,etc.


I would call the local PD or even better go over there and talk to them and ASK them to be present when you go over to their house. See what they can do for ya.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: stockrex
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Reason you need the police to escort you over there is so you'll have legal witness in case it gets ugly,or you could approach them at their door and THEY could call the police and say you threatened them,assaulted them,etc.


I would call the local PD or even better go over there and talk to them and ASK them to be present when you go over to their house. See what they can do for ya.



^^This exactly! Going over there and approaching them without legal witness is asking for trouble.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: 3800Series
It will be hard, ultimately you have to prove its your sons if she says it hers. My son went threw the same thing and the officer asked for proof of purchase for everything including his undergarments.

He was supporting her for years she had 2 kids (from a past relationship) she refused to clean or do really anything. She even tried to sue him for child support claiming he was a father figure.

Basically he had to buy everything from her. She was revengeful and still calls him up nearly every week asking for money.

Best I could say is offer her some money for her "time" otherwise if you have to involve the police and they do the same thing as my sons ex did then she will most likely feel confident in doing anything she wants.


Seen worse here in west MI, this is becoming an epidemic.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Have the po-po meet you over there. If she destroys,keeps,or throws away his possessions,she is a criminal and can face legal prosecution.


Its a civil matter not police matter.

I would recommend registered letter, email or text. Something that is tangible/printable if this ends up in small claims court and stuff still exists by then.

Good luck.


I would leave a vmail first, polite, short, and then follow-up with a letter (registered), but most likely they will refuse to pick it up.

So what do you do? spend $$$ on attorneys?
Try talking politely and negotiating,
consult attorney NOW but wait to take action. some attorneys will give you a free consult or do one for a nominal fee. ask around and find an attorney NOW, cuz most of the ones you will see ads for are bottom of the barrel...

 

[Merkava_4]

Is the "strong box" a laptop?

 

[cashmoney]

CreeCguy - Dad I know you are trying to do the right thing, but you and mom need to step away from this issue and let your son solve his own "relationship" related problems. A grown man learns many things in the Army including owning and solving his own problems...that is how young people mature and gain wisdom through experience. If you intervene on your son's behalf in this kind of problem, it is likely he will continue to need your help on this kind of problem for years to come.

 

[wkcars]

Most units/bases have some kind of troop support office available, usually include some kind of legal support. Your son should see if there's one at his base and see if there's anything they can do to help or what they suggest.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: GreeCguy

Great ideas guys - especially the registered letter.


Just remember that they can decline the registered letter. Since you have been repeatedly trying to contact them, I suspect that they will expect a letter from you and they will decline it.

 

[GreeCguy]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Is the "strong box" a laptop?


No. It is literally a metal box with a lock, (like a small "safe" or "strong box"). My Dad gave it to me when I was a teenager, and I gave it to my son when he was a teenager. So it does have some sentimental value to it, but the main thing is that his banking info/personal info are inside the box.

 

[GreeCguy]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: stockrex
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Reason you need the police to escort you over there is so you'll have legal witness in case it gets ugly,or you could approach them at their door and THEY could call the police and say you threatened them,assaulted them,etc.


I would call the local PD or even better go over there and talk to them and ASK them to be present when you go over to their house. See what they can do for ya.



^^This exactly! Going over there and approaching them without legal witness is asking for trouble.


Excellent point. If I do have to return, I will ask the police to come along. If they won't do it, I'll take a witness and record the encounter.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: cashmoney
CreeCguy - Dad I know you are trying to do the right thing, but you and mom need to step away from this issue and let your son solve his own "relationship" related problems. A grown man learns many things in the Army including owning and solving his own problems...that is how young people mature and gain wisdom through experience. If you intervene on your son's behalf in this kind of problem, it is likely he will continue to need your help on this kind of problem for years to come.

agree and disagree, sounds weird but these are evil back stabbing people, your son will probably lose his cool and raise his voice and go over there in the heat of the moment and get in a lot of trouble cuz the female will make some false allegations,
Yes, he needs to learn a lesson but you need to look after his best interest and GUIDE him to the best solution.

 

[bvance554]

Whatever happened to common decency? This family sucks. Moral of the story is its probably best that the relationship ended so that your son didn't end up spending a lifetime with such horrible people. I might sacrifice an xbox and bank documents to be done with that.

 

[Kuato]

You could always go to the Police Station, explain the situation, and ask what you would need to have an officer escort you there to pick up his property, which she is holding against his wishes.

Of course, I'm wondering why he doesn't go over there himself and pick it up....unless of course he's deployed.

 

[tom slick]

Call from a phone not associated with your name, i.e a friend's phone or work phone. They won't know it's you calling and they may answer. I've had to do that before for a contractor that wouldn't return my calls.
Your son should be able to at least talk to his supervisor and First Sergeant (whatever the Army equivelant is) for advise.

 

[Dyusik]

Cops will do nothing UNTIL you take matters into your hands, and arrest you...from my experience. Had my truck stolen, and when I found, chased and practically handed the guy over, the cops gave me all kinds of reasons how he will walk in a week and "it's out of our hands" b/s. Encounter before that sheriff dep of the same kindly and as indirectly as she could told me to forge a document (bill of sale).

Get creative....