napa gold oil filters vs purolator classic filters

[Oil Changer]

How is the Ultra better? Prove the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
PS...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.


Yep

PSS ... WIX is a good filter, BUT ... the Ultra is better. I guess the truth hurts for some people.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
How is the Ultra better? Prove the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer.


Use what ya want ... no proof needed for that.

 

[Bigdaddyeasy]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
PS...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.


Yep

PSS ... WIX is a good filter, BUT ... the Ultra is better. I guess the truth hurts for some people.

This is why we're having this debate. Cause you matchbox fantasizers bombarded a puro/napa gold thread like you ultimately do just about any thread discussing a product that, inside, your affraid my be better than your fictitious ideals.

Kids these days!

 

[Oil Changer]

I do. I use what's best. That's not the Ultra. Good job trying to deflect the question. That is what you are being compensated to do.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
How is the Ultra better? Prove the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer.


Use what ya want ... no proof needed for that.

 

[Oil Changer]

I've figured it out years ago. I use WIX because the guy the buys them figured it out years ago that WIX is all that's needed. You call me a WIX fanboy yet I have no dog in this fight. I simply "regurgitate" what I have seen that works. After 17 years I tend to agree with him. I change more filters in one week than you change in ten years. Now if you want to show me that an Ultra will make an engine live one second longer I'm all ears. Let's have it. Wait! You can't. Now try and do what you have been compensated to do...Wait! You can't!

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4PS
...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Oil Changer]

I feel sorry for him too. Everything about him his a cop out. He says to use what's best and that it's the inside that counts yet he can't prove a thing. He says that the Ultra is the best but can't prove it will make an engine last one second longer. He's compensated to say what he says. No more, more less. Mostly less.

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
PS...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.


Yep

PSS ... WIX is a good filter, BUT ... the Ultra is better. I guess the truth hurts for some people.

Cuz your hero jay said so right ? Almost makes me feel sorry for ya.

 

[Oil Changer]

Good job deflecting and making jokes. You still can't prove a thing other than you get free filters. You will deny that too.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
...I missed this. Can you link this information? Who is this independent source? Please, for the greater good......

As with most who frequent this board, thinking you can figure it out. And no, history as indicator, a link will not be provided.


As discussed earlier, everyone knows it was Batman's butler, 'ol Albert that had those ISO tests done in the Frankenstein lab - LoL. Guess OC was on vacation when all that talk was taking place.

 

[Oil Changer]

Where's Motorking? Motorking... How much longer will an engine run using an Ultra in lieu of any other filter? Second time asked. Even your compensated members avoid that question. I'm waiting.

 

[Oil Changer]

Just stumbled across this!

If the Ultra won't make an engine last longer, what's up with the hype? Why should one buy an Ultra? What makes the Ultra any better if the Ultra won't let the engine live one second longer? Explain, compensated shill.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Anti-Fram trolls! PPPfffttt! If you Fram fanboys could prove one iota of anything you claim there would be no trolls. Prove that any Fram filter will make an engine live longer. You won't because you can't. In fact, the evidence speaks otherwise. But ssshhh! No one here gets compensated to say that.


Who claimed a Fram will make an engine last longer. I think a lot of guys use higher efficiency filters because they are available and it might just be of some benefit. And it's the guys who understand filtering and performance specs and construction of oil filters the best that know which filters rise to the top and which ones are lower tier.

Bottom line, with or without any data to back it up is that a higher efficiency filter isn't going to hurt. If it cost a little more, who cares ... it's NOT your money being spent.

I really get laugh out of guys who put others down for using a product THEY don't like or don't use themselves. There are a lot of those guys here on this board, and in this thread.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Exactly! So why all the FU talk?


Because of what I said above.

 

[ZeeOSix]

OC & Mr Happy ... if you guys don't know why people here think the FU is a good and most of the time superior oil filter, then I guess nobody can say anything more about it to tell you why they think that way. Hint: efficiency, holding capacity, flow rate, OCI length, construction, price, availability ... need more?

It's pretty obvious why people think the FU is a very good filter ... it's been said over and over, yet guys like you two just say everyone is lying, including Fram. It's just a bunch of straw grasping by those who refuse to see the facts. Everything you've both said in the last 10 posts is all false accusations, as usual. And I wish I was getting free FUs ... that would be sweeeeeet.

 

[Oil Changer]

Yes. I do need more. Erase price and availability. WIX is available everywhere as cheap or cheaper as the Ultra. Prove the Ultra will make any engine last one second longer over any filter based strictly on efficiency, holding capacity, flow rate and construction. Prove the Ultra is better in any of those areas than any other filter. Wait! You can't! Keep doing what you've been compensated to do...

You're the master of deflection. You are the Fram spokesperson but write, " why people think the FU is a very good filter ...". Speak for yourself. Wait! You can't! You need to deflect.

Keep in mind that I say ANY filter, not just WIX. I use WIX because I'm paid to service equipment. It just so happens that the filter purchased is WIX. I like WIX because after 17 years of installing more filters than you will EVER install, I have found them to be more than acceptable. Why should I switch to Fram Ultra? Pretty simple question if the answer is simple.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
OC & Mr Happy ... if you guys don't know why people here think the FU is a good and most of the time superior oil filter, then I guess nobody can say anything more about it to tell you why they think that way. Hint: efficiency, holding capacity, flow rate, OCI length, construction, price, availability ... need more?

It's pretty obvious why people think the FU is a very good filter ... it's been said over and over, yet guys like you two just say everyone is lying, including Fram. It's just a bunch of straw grasping by those who refuse to see the facts. Everything you've both said in the last 10 posts is all false accusations, as usual. And I wish I was getting free FUs ... that would be sweeeeeet.

 

[goodtimes]

I would like to get in on the free Fram Ultras for posting good things about them. I do want fresh filters, so I want them one by one not by the case.

 

[Oil Changer]

Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
I would like to get in on the free Fram Ultras for posting good things about them. I do want fresh filters, so I want them one by one not by the case.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.
This is one of the most ignorant and stupidest things you have said to date. I will continue to use what I deem best as can you, how does that mean I am being compensated by FRAM or I somehow have given up my integrity? I share my results as do others, yet I come off as a shill? You are lame in your attempts to belittle people and you really do not want to know what I think.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I've figured it out years ago. I use WIX because the guy the buys them figured it out years ago that WIX is all that's needed. You call me a WIX fanboy yet I have no dog in this fight. I simply "regurgitate" what I have seen that works. After 17 years I tend to agree with him. I change more filters in one week than you change in ten years. Now if you want to show me that an Ultra will make an engine live one second longer I'm all ears. Let's have it. Wait! You can't. Now try and do what you have been compensated to do...Wait! You can't!

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4PS
...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.

Where did I say anything of the kind? You really like putting words in people's mouths. I could easily say the same to you Mr. OilChanger, prove that a WIX will make an engine last longer than a FRAM. You cannot, either, so why all of the trollish rhetoric?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.
This is one of the most ignorant and stupidest things you have said to date.


I disagree ... he's said things more stupid than this, and will even trump that in the future. LoL

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Where did I say anything of the kind? You really like putting words in people's mouths. I could easily say the same to you Mr. OilChanger, prove that a WIX will make an engine last longer than a FRAM. You cannot, either, so why all of the trollish rhetoric?


You beat me to it ... I was just going to say basically the same thing to OC to have him prove that WIX will make an engine last just as long or longer then any other filter on the market. I guess it's a one-way street for him.

And I really don't recall anyone even claiming that an Ultra would make an engine last longer ... I guess he's just assuming that's why people might use the FU. If they think a higher efficiency oil filter will help keep an engine in better shape, then it's their choice to use what they think is best for THEM!

These guys are just trolls that like to argue about non-sense, and when given facts and proof still don't reason anything out and just keep arguing and trying to troll people into arguments. It's easy to see through their little game.

 

[Oil Changer]

That's funny! Review your posts!

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For the minority of us on this board extending our OCIs something a bit more than "an ordinary filter" is needed. FOR THE MONEY, I know of no other filter than the FRAM Ultra that can SAFELY be used for a 12K+ OCI that is as EFFICIENT and that is the reason I use them. IMHO, I need them for my OCIs, otherwise, I would still be using MC filters for
PS...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.


Prove the Ultra is more than ordinary and is the only filter that is safe to use for extended OCI. Prove that a MC won't go 12K+. Explain how the efficiency rating of the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer than any other filter. I use WIX filters on engines and equipment that see more abuse than anything you own will see in it's lifetime. Explain how an Ultra will extend the serviceable life of the equipment.

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Meanwhile, about 7 million PCMO oil changes happened this past week and I would venture to guess that for more than 80% of those OCs the owner is clueless as to what filter was installed. In addition, out of the 7 million OCs less than 0.001% will develop an oil filter related issue no matter what brand was installed. Save for some blatant defect, it really does not matter what brand you choose...


Your words. Your post. Why the double talk? You want me to believe a MC filter in your application won't go an extra 5k but an Ultra will? Please explain.

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+1 - in the top two for me. Hope nothing changes quality wise on WIX Gold or FRAM Ultra.


Here you say the NAPA filter is as good as the Ultra. The NAPA can be had cheaper. Why not use the NAPA?

That's just a quick first three filter posts from you.

I share my results too. I share that any filter that meets OE specifications is all that is needed. I know what you think because you have told us and you display it in your signature. You are wrong. I ask you to back up your claims but you can't. Also, I'm not as foolhardy as to chase "the best". I simply tell that I get paid to service equipment. The filters purchased are WIX. In my experience, (which greatly surpasses yours) WIX filters will do anything a Fram Ultra will do. Prove me wrong. Wait! You can't! Arguing over oil filters is akin to a room full of privates arguing who's in charge.

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.
This is one of the most ignorant and stupidest things you have said to date. I will continue to use what I deem best as can you, how does that mean I am being compensated by FRAM or I somehow have given up my integrity? I share my results as do others, yet I come off as a shill? You are lame in your attempts to belittle people and you really do not want to know what I think.

 

[Oil Changer]

I know Z06. You have nothing outside your scripted speech so you default to personal attacks. Convenient for you. God forbid you provide any substance to your posts. Anytime you want to share how an Ultra will provide more serviceable life to an engine over another filter, I'm all ears. I won't hold my breath.

Try and focus and answer this question. How will the claimed efficiency rating of the Fram Ultra extend the serviceable life of an engine? Call Motorking and ask him if necessary.


Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.
This is one of the most ignorant and stupidest things you have said to date.


I disagree ... he's said things more stupid than this, and will even trump that in the future. LoL

 

[Oil Changer]

You are quick to call other people trolls. I searched your user name. On page one, 73 of 75 posts were in the filter forum. On page two, 65 of 75 posts were in the filter forum. The few others were General and Off Topic. On my page three, 34 of 75 posts were all in the filter forum with the exception of the fight you got yourself involved in over a motorcycle road rage. On page four and so on it was back to the usual. Page four having 72 of 75 posts all in the filter forum. So who trolls what?

You fight tooth and nail over the efficiency rating of the Ultra. Why?

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Where did I say anything of the kind? You really like putting words in people's mouths. I could easily say the same to you Mr. OilChanger, prove that a WIX will make an engine last longer than a FRAM. You cannot, either, so why all of the trollish rhetoric?


You beat me to it ... I was just going to say basically the same thing to OC to have him prove that WIX will make an engine last just as long or longer then any other filter on the market. I guess it's a one-way street for him.

And I really don't recall anyone even claiming that an Ultra would make an engine last longer ... I guess he's just assuming that's why people might use the FU. If they think a higher efficiency oil filter will help keep an engine in better shape, then it's their choice to use what they think is best for THEM!

These guys are just trolls that like to argue about non-sense, and when given facts and proof still don't reason anything out and just keep arguing and trying to troll people into arguments. It's easy to see through their little game.