napa gold oil filters vs purolator classic filters

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer

Prove the Ultra is more than ordinary and is the only filter that is safe to use for extended OCI. Prove that a MC won't go 12K+. Explain how the efficiency rating of the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer than any other filter. I use WIX filters on engines and equipment that see more abuse than anything you own will see in it's lifetime. Explain how an Ultra will extend the serviceable life of the equipment.


How about you prove the contrary. How come everyone has to prove to you what they claim. Why don't YOU prove otherwise. Hint - you can't, otherwise you would. It's not hard to see.

Must be nice trying to make everyone do the work for you ... I don't play that game.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You are quick to call other people trolls. I searched your user name. On page one, 73 of 75 posts were in the filter forum. On page two, 65 of 75 posts were in the filter forum. The few others were General and Off Topic. On my page three, 34 of 75 posts were all in the filter forum with the exception of the fight you got yourself involved in over a motorcycle road rage. On page four and so on it was back to the usual. Page four having 72 of 75 posts all in the filter forum. So who trolls what?


Dude, really. Only a stalker would do what you did there. And who cares if I like to hang out in the oil filter forum more than other forums. What you call a "fight" was nothing more than me expressing my opinion on the subject just like everyone else. Seems you are now going from troll status to stalker status. Your a bit crazy there OC.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You fight tooth and nail over the efficiency rating of the Ultra. Why?


How many times do people have to tell you why they like the Ultra? And besides, why do you really care? ... I mean really, why are you so obsessed with people who like the Ultra. Only a super fanboy or shill would care. I don't care what other people use, I only care what I use. So stop the stalking dude, it's creepy.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I know Z06. You have nothing outside your scripted speech so you default to personal attacks. Convenient for you. God forbid you provide any substance to your posts. Anytime you want to share how an Ultra will provide more serviceable life to an engine over another filter, I'm all ears. I won't hold my breath.


I think saying someone is trolling is fine when it's obvious they are trolling to get into some kind of stupid argument that goes into a meltdown situation. I don't play that game, but if I see someone going down that path I will say so.

And again, it's all been said many times by many members on why the Ultra is as good as it is. You can believe it or not, but don't keep trolling these members about it unless YOU can PROVE WHY it's not at good as people claim. It's all on you to prove it's not as good as people think it is. Where's YOUR proof?

 

[Oil Changer]

Because I am not the one spouting off at the mouth about efficiency ratings. I've explained that since the first time we interacted. You claim the FU is some extraordinary filter largely in part to it's claimed efficiency rating. I witness first hand every day that it just doesn't matter. I've tried to display that fact the best I could through pictures and examples. You chose to make fun of that. Short of having you come out to where I live and work and show you first hand, there is nothing else I can do. In the end it is far more than anything you provide. All you have is a script from Motorking and links to Fram's website.

What is so special about the Fram Ultra? Nothing. If you say otherwise, prove it. What will the FU do that any other filter won't?

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer

Prove the Ultra is more than ordinary and is the only filter that is safe to use for extended OCI. Prove that a MC won't go 12K+. Explain how the efficiency rating of the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer than any other filter. I use WIX filters on engines and equipment that see more abuse than anything you own will see in it's lifetime. Explain how an Ultra will extend the serviceable life of the equipment.


How about you prove the contrary. How come everyone has to prove to you what they claim. Why don't YOU prove otherwise. Hint - you can't, otherwise you would. It's not hard to see.

Must be nice trying to make everyone do the work for you ... I don't play that game.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Try and focus and answer this question. How will the claimed efficiency rating of the Fram Ultra extend the serviceable life of an engine? Call Motorking and ask him if necessary.


Can you prove that running an inefficient filter will make an engine wear less than a filter that is high efficiency?

Let's put it this way. Would you rather have more or less debris in the oil while the engine is being used? I think most people would decide that less crud in the oil is better for the engine in the long run. Also, if an air filter isn't doing it's job then an efficient oil filter is there to help take out debris out of the oil that the inefficient air filter let in.

Anyway, I thought you were up on this stuff enough to realize this. I really don't want to spend lots of time "spoon feeding" you ... Mr. bighappydude ate up all the Gerber already.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
He's the one that said wix has superior specs so he should be able to prove it.

Well, it's difficult to prove something that is contradicted by every piece of evidence we've ever seen.

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I think you might really be a closet FRAM guy. First you claimed you were defending them cuz you believed there was some spooky math going around concerning the whole @ greater than 20 thing. Now your defending them because????

It's the same thing. We don't need to invent reasons to bash a product. As for "spooky" there's very little spooky in mathematics outside of quantum mechanics and its "spooky action at a distance."

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
By the way, did futuredoc ever get you lined out on the @ greater than 20 microns thing? Or are you still confused?

I'm fine. There are very few people on the board from whom I'd accept math lessons.

901Memphis: I recall the conversation on that matter, and I was bringing up the XP in passing, simply because it's plausible that it could filter better than is claimed. Filtering worse would be flabbergasting.

My point was more about the regular Wix line, where most numbers I've seen were downgraded.

Originally Posted By: steveh
My guess would be honest Jay whispering in this guys ears because he is going to repeat everything like a parrot. Jay finds suckers like this to do his dirty work.

That's interesting. I've never purchased nor used a Fram oil filter in my life. If you read my post history in the oil filter forum, you'd see that I hammer Fram constantly. I hammer them on their real failings, though. I don't need to invent failings. Do I need to post pictures of my oil and filter stash again? Do you need a picture of the Wix oil filter on my engine?

I don't like fibre end caps. I don't care if they're cardboard or not. I don't like them. I don't like skimpy media in the red can. I don't like the red can costing more than my Wix. I don't like how Fram has monopolized the shelf space in Canada. I also prefer coil springs. I don't like how the Fram red can has cheaper construction than much of the competition, yet costs more money, probably spending a lot on the marketing end of things. The Fram Ultra is a good filter and it's pricing is a decent value for what you get, but I consider it overkill for what I need and it obviously costs more than the Wix. I also don't buy filters at Canadian Tire or Walmart, and the latter only has spotty availability on the Ultra anyhow. And I've said time and time again, if you don't like the product, don't use it.

As for people hammering on 2010_FX4, do keep in mind that he's probably on of the few people, if not the only one, who actually gets his full bang for his buck from an extended drain filter.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
That's funny! Review your posts!

Quote:
For the minority of us on this board extending our OCIs something a bit more than "an ordinary filter" is needed. FOR THE MONEY, I know of no other filter than the FRAM Ultra that can SAFELY be used for a 12K+ OCI that is as EFFICIENT and that is the reason I use them. IMHO, I need them for my OCIs, otherwise, I would still be using MC filters for
PS...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.


Prove the Ultra is more than ordinary and is the only filter that is safe to use for extended OCI. Prove that a MC won't go 12K+. Explain how the efficiency rating of the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer than any other filter. I use WIX filters on engines and equipment that see more abuse than anything you own will see in it's lifetime. Explain how an Ultra will extend the serviceable life of the equipment.

Quote:
Meanwhile, about 7 million PCMO oil changes happened this past week and I would venture to guess that for more than 80% of those OCs the owner is clueless as to what filter was installed. In addition, out of the 7 million OCs less than 0.001% will develop an oil filter related issue no matter what brand was installed. Save for some blatant defect, it really does not matter what brand you choose...


Your words. Your post. Why the double talk? You want me to believe a MC filter in your application won't go an extra 5k but an Ultra will? Please explain.

Quote:
+1 - in the top two for me. Hope nothing changes quality wise on WIX Gold or FRAM Ultra.


Here you say the NAPA filter is as good as the Ultra. The NAPA can be had cheaper. Why not use the NAPA?

That's just a quick first three filter posts from you.

I share my results too. I share that any filter that meets OE specifications is all that is needed. I know what you think because you have told us and you display it in your signature. You are wrong. I ask you to back up your claims but you can't. Also, I'm not as foolhardy as to chase "the best". I simply tell that I get paid to service equipment. The filters purchased are WIX. In my experience, (which greatly surpasses yours) WIX filters will do anything a Fram Ultra will do. Prove me wrong. Wait! You can't! Arguing over oil filters is akin to a room full of privates arguing who's in charge.

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.
This is one of the most ignorant and stupidest things you have said to date. I will continue to use what I deem best as can you, how does that mean I am being compensated by FRAM or I somehow have given up my integrity? I share my results as do others, yet I come off as a shill? You are lame in your attempts to belittle people and you really do not want to know what I think.
Actually, you are funny and are the king of misquotes and "suggestions". I never said WIX was the equivalent of FRAM Ultra, I said it was my number two choice and I stated a caveat in a second post. Do I think a MC filter can go 15K, well duh, yes, since I ran two of them for that long. Do I think the wire backed media in an Ultra is safer? Absolutely, but you, of course, are free to choose as you wish, but then again you do not run long OCIs, so how would you know anyway?

All of your experience (same as mine) cannot be qualified or quantified and it is only your words--there is nothing of substance to back it up. Do us all a favor and either put your money where your mouth is by proving anything (instead of constantly insisting that others do), or frankly, let it drop. It is clear that neither of us is going to capitulate so we can both save some electrons and move on.

 

[Oil Changer]

Once again, when forced beyond Motorking's script, all you have is personal attacks.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You are quick to call other people trolls. I searched your user name. On page one, 73 of 75 posts were in the filter forum. On page two, 65 of 75 posts were in the filter forum. The few others were General and Off Topic. On my page three, 34 of 75 posts were all in the filter forum with the exception of the fight you got yourself involved in over a motorcycle road rage. On page four and so on it was back to the usual. Page four having 72 of 75 posts all in the filter forum. So who trolls what?


Dude, really. Only a stalker would do what you did there. And who cares if I like to hang out in the oil filter forum more than other forums. What you call a "fight" was nothing more than me expressing my opinion on the subject just like everyone else. Seems you are now going from troll status to stalker status. Your a bit crazy there OC.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You fight tooth and nail over the efficiency rating of the Ultra. Why?


How many times do people have to tell you why they like the Ultra? And besides, why do you really care? ... I mean really, why are you so obsessed with people who like the Ultra. Only a super fanboy or shill would care. I don't care what other people use, I only care what I use. So stop the stalking dude, it's creepy.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Because I am not the one spouting off at the mouth about efficiency ratings. I've explained that since the first time we interacted. You claim the FU is some extraordinary filter largely in part to it's claimed efficiency rating.


If you don't believe Fram the hire a lawyer and sue them over false advertising claims. As have been said and realized by logical people here, there is no reason to think that Fram's efficiency claims are false or a lie. If you knew anything about advertising, you'd realize they couldn't make the claims they do if false without another filter company threatening lawsuit over it.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I witness first hand every day that it just doesn't matter. I've tried to display that fact the best I could through pictures and examples. You chose to make fun of that. Short of having you come out to where I live and work and show you first hand, there is nothing else I can do. In the end it is far more than anything you provide. All you have is a script from Motorking and links to Fram's website.


It's great that you think you know everything about oil filters because you see them everyday ... but, you can't tell much by just looking at an oil filter, except that it's constructed well and didn't fail. Nobody on earth can look at an oil filter and tell what the efficiency, holding capacity or flow rate/delta-p characteristics are. ONLY sophisticated tests with special test equipment can determine that. That is what these filter manufacturers base their performance claims on ... IOS testing to specific test standards. So what you have seen really means nothing except that the filters look good after being used.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
What is so special about the Fram Ultra? Nothing. If you say otherwise, prove it. What will the FU do that any other filter won't?


You prove it's not anything special. And do it with numbers and facts, not just because you think it's not good. That's just a cop-out fanboy move.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Once again, when forced beyond Motorking's script, all you have is personal attacks.


Stop being a stalker ... there are board rules against that behavior.

 

[Oil Changer]

Prove that the Ultra does anything special. I see run of the mill filters on engines that cost more than a house and the engines are doing just fine. What would the Ultra do better?

You're lost outside the script. You think I'm debating the efficiency claims of the Ultra. I'm not. I never have. All I ask is what is the benefit?

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Because I am not the one spouting off at the mouth about efficiency ratings. I've explained that since the first time we interacted. You claim the FU is some extraordinary filter largely in part to it's claimed efficiency rating.


If you don't believe Fram the hire a lawyer and sue them over false advertising claims. As have been said and realized by logical people here, there is no reason to think that Fram's efficiency claims are false or a lie. If you knew anything about advertising, you'd realize they couldn't make the claims they do if false without another filter company threatening lawsuit over it.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I witness first hand every day that it just doesn't matter. I've tried to display that fact the best I could through pictures and examples. You chose to make fun of that. Short of having you come out to where I live and work and show you first hand, there is nothing else I can do. In the end it is far more than anything you provide. All you have is a script from Motorking and links to Fram's website.


It's great that you think you know everything about oil filters because you see them everyday ... but, you can't tell much by just looking at an oil filter, except that it's constructed well and didn't fail. Nobody on earth can look at an oil filter and tell what the efficiency, holding capacity or flow rate/delta-p characteristics are. ONLY sophisticated tests with special test equipment can determine that. That is what these filter manufacturers base their performance claims on ... IOS testing to specific test standards. So what you have seen really means nothing except that the filters look good after being used.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
What is so special about the Fram Ultra? Nothing. If you say otherwise, prove it. What will the FU do that any other filter won't?


You prove it's not anything special. And do it with numbers and facts, not just because you think it's not good. That's just a cop-out fanboy move.

 

[Oil Changer]

I clicked on your user name and selected "View Posts". Nothing against board rules. Now you being compensated on a board where Fram is not a sponsor is against the rules. I'm not too sure you want to push that issue.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Once again, when forced beyond Motorking's script, all you have is personal attacks.


Stop being a stalker ... there are board rules against that behavior.

 

[Oil Changer]

Misquotes? Those are direct quotes from your posts. Look them up yourself. Your words. I put my money where my mouth is everyday. Unless you do what I do for a living, you're someone who has far less experience in these matters. I don't get compensated and read from a script. I don't study websites. I wrench on engines every day. I see engines that costs tens and sometime hundreds of thousands of dollars living long, fruitful, money producing lives on plain old WIX filters. How would using an Ultra benefit the engines and company? You won't answer. You're just like Z06 and will act like you weren't asked a question.

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
That's funny! Review your posts!

Quote:
For the minority of us on this board extending our OCIs something a bit more than "an ordinary filter" is needed. FOR THE MONEY, I know of no other filter than the FRAM Ultra that can SAFELY be used for a 12K+ OCI that is as EFFICIENT and that is the reason I use them. IMHO, I need them for my OCIs, otherwise, I would still be using MC filters for
PS...in case you have not figured it out, people are talking about the FRAM Ultra for the same reason that you beat WIX into the ground...it is what they perceive as "the best" and there is nothing wrong with that.


Prove the Ultra is more than ordinary and is the only filter that is safe to use for extended OCI. Prove that a MC won't go 12K+. Explain how the efficiency rating of the Ultra will make an engine live one second longer than any other filter. I use WIX filters on engines and equipment that see more abuse than anything you own will see in it's lifetime. Explain how an Ultra will extend the serviceable life of the equipment.

Quote:
Meanwhile, about 7 million PCMO oil changes happened this past week and I would venture to guess that for more than 80% of those OCs the owner is clueless as to what filter was installed. In addition, out of the 7 million OCs less than 0.001% will develop an oil filter related issue no matter what brand was installed. Save for some blatant defect, it really does not matter what brand you choose...


Your words. Your post. Why the double talk? You want me to believe a MC filter in your application won't go an extra 5k but an Ultra will? Please explain.

Quote:
+1 - in the top two for me. Hope nothing changes quality wise on WIX Gold or FRAM Ultra.


Here you say the NAPA filter is as good as the Ultra. The NAPA can be had cheaper. Why not use the NAPA?

That's just a quick first three filter posts from you.

I share my results too. I share that any filter that meets OE specifications is all that is needed. I know what you think because you have told us and you display it in your signature. You are wrong. I ask you to back up your claims but you can't. Also, I'm not as foolhardy as to chase "the best". I simply tell that I get paid to service equipment. The filters purchased are WIX. In my experience, (which greatly surpasses yours) WIX filters will do anything a Fram Ultra will do. Prove me wrong. Wait! You can't! Arguing over oil filters is akin to a room full of privates arguing who's in charge.

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just contact Motorking, swear to give up your integrity and you can be just like Z06 and FX4.
This is one of the most ignorant and stupidest things you have said to date. I will continue to use what I deem best as can you, how does that mean I am being compensated by FRAM or I somehow have given up my integrity? I share my results as do others, yet I come off as a shill? You are lame in your attempts to belittle people and you really do not want to know what I think.
Actually, you are funny and are the king of misquotes and "suggestions". I never said WIX was the equivalent of FRAM Ultra, I said it was my number two choice and I stated a caveat in a second post. Do I think a MC filter can go 15K, well duh, yes, since I ran two of them for that long. Do I think the wire backed media in an Ultra is safer? Absolutely, but you, of course, are free to choose as you wish, but then again you do not run long OCIs, so how would you know anyway?

All of your experience (same as mine) cannot be qualified or quantified and it is only your words--there is nothing of substance to back it up. Do us all a favor and either put your money where your mouth is by proving anything (instead of constantly insisting that others do), or frankly, let it drop. It is clear that neither of us is going to capitulate so we can both save some electrons and move on.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Misquotes? Those are direct quotes from your posts. Look them up yourself. Your words.
They are my words, but not in the context that you are using them. I stand by what I said and none of it contradicts itself. I never said the Ultra was the only filter capable of doing extended OCIs, what I said was:

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
For the minority of us on this board extending our OCIs something a bit more than "an ordinary filter" is needed. FOR THE MONEY, I know of no other filter than the FRAM Ultra that can SAFELY be used for a 12K+ OCI that is as EFFICIENT and that is the reason I use them. IMHO, I need them for my OCIs, otherwise, I would still be using MC filters for div>
If you know of a better filter for the money with all of the features that an Ultra has, do us all a favor and do tell what that might be--THEN instead of spouting off your usual rhetoric, put your money where your mouth is, take one and USE it on a 15K OCI; otherwise, what are you arguing about? To hear yourself talk?

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I put my money where my mouth is everyday. Unless you do what I do for a living, you're someone who has far less experience in these matters. I don't get compensated and read from a script. I don't study websites. I wrench on engines every day. I see engines that costs tens and sometime hundreds of thousands of dollars living long, fruitful, money producing lives on plain old WIX filters. How would using an Ultra benefit the engines and company? You won't answer. You're just like Z06 and will act like you weren't asked a question.
You do not put your money where your mouth is and never have on this board--you constantly deflect and put the monkey on someone else's back to "prove". I have yet to see you post any data--ONLY opinion. All of the experience that you say that you have that makes you so much more informed than everyone else, means nothing--not diddly squat. Why? It cannot be quantified. Anyone can come on this board and say anything--the Internet is anonymous that way. Wrenching on engines does not make you an expert on oil filtration and if you think that it does, you are a bigger fool that I give you credit for. Each and every one of us has some experience with wrenching on engines--does that make any of us an expert? Hardly. Where are your test results that make the WIX filter so much better than an Ultra? Why is it that everyone else needs to prove everything? What have you brought to the table? Any UOAs with insoluble data? Any ISO reports? Anything at all? No, your next post will be to say if filter "X" is so much better than a WIX, prove it--all the while you never bring anything to prove the opposite point of view, only your "experience"--which again means nothing on this board without qualification and I am not talking about being a mechanic.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Prove that the Ultra does anything special. I see run of the mill filters on engines that cost more than a house and the engines are doing just fine. What would the Ultra do better?


Even if the Ultra didn't do anything special, why would you care? It seems you are just here to cause turmoil and try to get as many people to argue with you as possible.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You're lost outside the script. You think I'm debating the efficiency claims of the Ultra. I'm not. I never have. All I ask is what is the benefit?


The benefit is that whoever chooses to use one does so for their OWN reasons ... nobody else's. To me, that's a good enough benefit. That along with it's superior filtering and holding capacity, construction, flow rate and value.

If I said I used WIX filters (which I do) would you be me buddy then? LoL

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I clicked on your user name and selected "View Posts". Nothing against board rules. Now you being compensated on a board where Fram is not a sponsor is against the rules. I'm not too sure you want to push that issue.


Tracking down and analyzing where someone posts, and what you think they are doing in each thread is basically stalking. I wish I was being compensated for talking about a product I like. Heck, if all these guys who talk positive about the FU were compensated, Fram would be broke. LoL

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You're just like Z06 and will act like you weren't asked a question.


That's because your questions are like broken records that have been answered by many over and over. It's kind of disturbing after awhile actually.

How about you start a thread kicking off why YOU think the FU isn't a very good oil filter. See how that one goes ...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
I put my money where my mouth is everyday. Unless you do what I do for a living, you're someone who has far less experience in these matters. I don't get compensated and read from a script. I don't study websites. I wrench on engines every day. I see engines that costs tens and sometime hundreds of thousands of dollars living long, fruitful, money producing lives on plain old WIX filters. How would using an Ultra benefit the engines and company?


Sorry to say, but just because you change oil and filters all day long doesn't make you an expert on oil filter performance.

Do you even know what the efficiency rating of those WIX filters are you're using? If they are specially filters for heavy duty construction equipment, then guess what ... their efficiency is probably very high. As I eluded to a while back, go tell your boss you want to save some cash for the company and you've decided with all your filter knowledge that going with cheaper filters that are only 50% @ 20 microns will work just as good.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
If you know of a better filter for the money with all of the features that an Ultra has, do us all a favor and do tell what that might be -- THEN instead of spouting off your usual rhetoric, put your money where your mouth is, take one and USE it on a 15K OCI; otherwise, what are you arguing about? To hear yourself talk?


Heck, if OC, or anyone else could show data to prove that some filter was better than the Ultra, I'd probably use that filter too or instead. I wouldn't be some non-believer and spout off some nonsense that the published specs must all be some kind of advertising hype and all a lie.

Most people look at the quality, performance and value of a product as major buying decision factors. I think for a lot of people the Ultra satisfies all three of those criteria pretty well. So, it's not hard to understand why people talk good about the Ultra. Then of course there are the Fram haters who just can't stand hearing that Fram has a decent filter on the market ... which then turns into a convoluted, troll infested thread like this one.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
You do not put your money where your mouth is and never have on this board--you constantly deflect and put the monkey on someone else's back to "prove". I have yet to see you post any data--ONLY opinion. All of the experience that you say that you have that makes you so much more informed than everyone else, means nothing--not diddly squat. Why? It cannot be quantified. Anyone can come on this board and say anything--the Internet is anonymous that way. Wrenching on engines does not make you an expert on oil filtration and if you think that it does, you are a bigger fool that I give you credit for. Each and every one of us has some experience with wrenching on engines--does that make any of us an expert? Hardly. Where are your test results that make the WIX filter so much better than an Ultra? Why is it that everyone else needs to prove everything? What have you brought to the table? Any UOAs with insoluble data? Any ISO reports? Anything at all? No, your next post will be to say if filter "X" is so much better than a WIX, prove it--all the while you never bring anything to prove the opposite point of view, only your "experience"--which again means nothing on this board without qualification and I am not talking about being a mechanic.


Well said 2010_FX4 !