must lie to buy Kreen

[GMorg]

I was looking into buying some Kreen and took the time to read the agreement that you must accept before you can purchase Kano Labs products. The following statement is listed:
"ALL PRODUCTS PRODUCED AND DISTRIBUTED BY KANO LABS ARE FOR USE IN THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS ONLY AND ARE NOT FOR RETAIL SALE, PERSONAL OR CONSUMER USE"

It seems that most consumers have to lie to buy their products. In fact, it seems that you cannot use Kreen as directed since they can only be sold for a manufacturing process. For the users of Kreen, how do you buy this stuff without a lie?

 

[JHZR2]

My wife has a business. Does not matter what the business does...

 

[Trav]

You can buy if you are a legit business otherwise you have to be a little creative.
These are not packaged as consumer grade products, some adhesives are this way also. They are so powerful it takes special training and equipment to use them, definitely not something to be peddled at AA in the glue section.

 

[GMorg]

I'm not suggesting that you can't buy Kreen. I am suggesting that if you say that you are using Kreen in a manufacturing process and that you not using it in a manufacturing, then you not being truthful. Am I missing something or has this product placed itself in the market in a way that requires that the buyer lie to use it as directed?

 

[rjacket]

As others, I've heard it's a great product but I would worry about my own, families and neighbour's health when using any chemical, even more so when not intended for consumer use.

There must be a reason why the product should not be used by consumers and I would ask what that is before using it.

 

[GMorg]

I'm not so concerned about using the product. I am very comfortable using organic solvents. In fact, except for the "proprietary additives" I already have or can buy the other items that are listed on the MSDS. However, I would agree that the casual user could unknowingly put themselves at some minor risk. I think that an uninformed regular user of the product could actually put themselves at a significant risk.

The problem that I have is that a consumer seems to have to lie about their intended use to buy the product. I am curious if the disclaimer is a California thing.

 

[hardcore302]

Wierd.

 

[mongo161]

I did not have to lie to buy Kreen. I'm self employed in the maintenance field and used my Business name to buy Kreen. In fact, I'll be buying more in the future. Great stuff from my own experiences with the Kreen and Kroil products.

I would never have found out about these products except for BITOG and the posts by past users like Trav, Dermarpaint and other posters. A very big thanks to all... for "turning me on" to Kreen and Kroil.

 

[Trav]

I would say its a liability issue.
You don't have to LIE to order it, you have to buy it as a business plain and simple.
They sell to some of the largest corporations in the world and probably don't need or want to be bothered with consumers, why should they?
First safety caps and extravagant labels saying don't use this to clean your linoleum, don't use it to wash your hands or pets and have consumer advocacy groups up their behind when some kid goes blind or someone's dog or cat dies from drinking the stuff.

Open the can, put it in your engine, close the can and put it away and your fine.
Go to any automotive paint supply house and every can of paint, reducer, thinner, activator will have not for sale to the general public, for professional use only.

I have tried eco friendly stuff like ester of Ovis aries and it wasn't worth a P hole in the snow.

 

[demarpaint]

I bet the competition would love to see members here not being able to buy this product. LOL- good luck. I buy it through my business as well and will continue to do so if I need more.

Yes if you bathe in it or huff it, you could have a problem. Use it as Trav mentions what's the problem?

 

[Trav]

You know Frank you may have a point.
This in some ways sounds like a covert tactic to discredit a first class product based on the anti solvent rants of a competitor.
If used with common sense it works well and is safe.

 

[GMorg]

Trav wrote:
"This in some ways sounds like a covert tactic to discredit a first class product based on the anti solvent rants of a competitor."

As the OP, I'm a little confused here. Are you suggesting that I am on an anti-solvent rant?

My comments are directed more toward a regulatory environment that requires untruthfulness. I even suggested that the California state government may be requiring some sort of ethical gymnastics to legally sell the product. I was surprised that Kano required a buyer to agree that their products would ONLY be used for manufacturing purposes. I am also surprised that several people here are comfortable to conflate a business with a manufacturing process.

I can legally purchase most controlled substances through a drug license as long I use the drug for research purposes. However, I do not confuse my legal ability to buy controlled substances for research purposes with an ability to buy the same drugs for another purpose. If I bought these items for purpose other than research, I would be indirectly telling a lie. I agreed to use the license for research only. I am surprised that Kano chooses, or is forced, to create a situation where there customers appear to have to state a manufacturing purpose when in fact their purpose is likely a service or personal use.

Suggesting a tactic to discredit Kreen, if I have understood you correctly, is misguided. Based on the MSDS and the observations shared on BITOG by members other than me, I think that Kreen actually will clean hydrocarbon deposits. I also shared that I do not personally fear using the product. Search my entire 6 year history here, I have never offered a negative opinion of Kreen. The way I found the agreement is that I was attempting to purchase some Kreen and recognized that I, personally, would have to lie to make the purchase. My surprise was shared here.

If I have misunderstood the meaning of "covert tactic" please correct me.

 

[Trav]

Why not call Kano Labs and ask?
They have answered every question i have asked them.

Quote:
Are you suggesting that I am on an anti-solvent rant?


Not you personally sorry for any confusion, i should have said may turn into a anti solvent rant by shills of another product who have come out in these anti solvent rants previously.
When and if it happens you'll know what i meant.

 

[jeepman3071]

I find it interesting how you must "lie" about using it for business purposes on the Kano Labs website, yet can easily purchase Kroil on Amazon.com. Not sure about Kreen, but I've bought Kroil from Amazon in the past.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
I find it interesting how you must "lie" about using it for business purposes on the Kano Labs website, yet can easily purchase Kroil on Amazon.com. Not sure about Kreen, but I've bought Kroil from Amazon in the past.


Kroil can also be bought on any website that sells gun cleaning items.

 

[GMorg]

As per Trav's suggestion, I called Kano at the number listed on their website. After I explained my question, the person on the phone said, "I don't know anything about that". I then asked if the agreement only applies to buyers in California and the reply was a very quick, "yes". I then explained that the language in the agreement seemed to apply to everyone and that I would have to lie if I wanted to buy Kreen. She offered no reply. I suggested that they may want to take a second look at the language in the agreement and then thanked her for her time.

Although the person on the phone was very nice, I did not get the idea that she had prepared for any questions related to the agreement.

My guess is that Kano has attempted to deal with a California policy without paying much attention to the rest of the country.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: GMorg
As per Trav's suggestion, I called Kano at the number listed on their website. After I explained my question, the person on the phone said, "I don't know anything about that". I then asked if the agreement only applies to buyers in California and the reply was a very quick, "yes". I then explained that the language in the agreement seemed to apply to everyone and that I would have to lie if I wanted to buy Kreen. She offered no reply. I suggested that they may want to take a second look at the language in the agreement and then thanked her for her time.

Although the person on the phone was very nice, I did not get the idea that she had prepared for any questions related to the agreement.

My guess is that Kano has attempted to deal with a California policy without paying much attention to the rest of the country.


Maybe talking with a supervisor would have gotten you a better answer.

I can buy more harmful things than Kreen in my local paint store.

 

[mpvue]

probably has to do w/ the increased certifications required to be sold at retail. kind of like performance parts that say 'not intended for sale or use on passenger vehicles etc" or "off road use only"
for a mfgr to get CARB approval from the feds on their parts is very expensive and time consuming.

 

[Mystic]

I remember buying some Kano Labs stuff for cleaning my gun and that stuff was POWERFUL! It is industrial quality. So I can sort of understand their statement.

 

[LeakySeals]

Originally Posted By: GMorg
As per Trav's suggestion, I called Kano at the number listed on their website. After I explained my question, the person on the phone said, "I don't know anything about that". I then asked if the agreement only applies to buyers in California and the reply was a very quick, "yes". I then explained that the language in the agreement seemed to apply to everyone and that I would have to lie if I wanted to buy Kreen. She offered no reply. I suggested that they may want to take a second look at the language in the agreement and then thanked her for her time.

Although the person on the phone was very nice, I did not get the idea that she had prepared for any questions related to the agreement.

My guess is that Kano has attempted to deal with a California policy without paying much attention to the rest of the country.


After dragging Kano through the mud did you buy anything?