must lie to buy Kreen

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
I just read this whole thread and I gotta admit I almost spit coffee on my iPad.
Comedy gold is what we got here.
I'm luvinit


LOL

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I just read this whole thread and I gotta admit I almost spit coffee on my iPad.
Comedy gold is what we got here.
I'm luvinit


LOL


Marching orders! Get the printing press cleaner on top in the oil additives section.

Its beyond a joke really, sad is what it is. I may be Chief Amigo but that sure is one desesperado.

 

[Mystic]

I think that a product developed to clean printing presses is probably best used for cleaning printing presses. Kreen and MMO were developed to clean inside an engine.

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think that a product developed to clean printing presses is probably best used for cleaning printing presses. Kreen and MMO were developed to clean inside an engine.


RX works for me, bloody expensive but untouched. No idea what its like on printing presses, nor do I care, or follow the instructions.

 

[Mystic]

Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.


Your also a distributer for this stuff. So Stephen is the poster in the second quote a liar?

Quote:
Unfortunately, this instruction is in direct conflict with the long-standing recommendation from the Australian distributor of A-Rx ("Sprintman" on the BITOG forums).


Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Miller
Brian this came from our Australian Dealer ask him for any help he might be able to give. "Stephen" is very creative and knowledgeable.



I kept the link if anyone is interested.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.



LOL Here we go round and round, a few insults, somethings never change.

Anyone new to the site this has all been said before. It is very easy to find with a simple search of the oil additive section. Pay particular to the threads that have been locked, they contain some of the best information, and they're a good entertaining read. You may even learn about different business tactics, and business ethics.

Please note no company names were mentioned, let the new people figure it out for themselves.

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.


Your also a distributer for this stuff. So Stephen is the poster in the second quote a liar?

Quote:
Unfortunately, this instruction is in direct conflict with the long-standing recommendation from the Australian distributor of A-Rx ("Sprintman" on the BITOG forums).


Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Miller
Brian this came from our Australian Dealer ask him for any help he might be able to give. "Stephen" is very creative and knowledgeable.



I kept the link if anyone is interested.


I distribute to myself. I don't sell or have the ability to sell o anybody else. Ron Stasinowsky in Melbourne does on a regular basis, he'd sue my arse off if I attempted to sell Rx. Easy enough to ask him?

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.


If the harsh solvent works in dissolving and dispersing the sludge and deposits and rids the engine of the contaminants quickly,and doesn't elevate wear metals,isn't that better than using a product that works slowly,thereby keeping the engine in a lesser state longer thereby costing the owner more money in fuel and whatever else as the engine takes longer to get into a better state?
Just asking?

 

[sprintman]

Ron's number is +61 414 264 443 Melbourne, Victoria.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.


If the harsh solvent works in dissolving and dispersing the sludge and deposits and rids the engine of the contaminants quickly,and doesn't elevate wear metals,isn't that better than using a product that works slowly,thereby keeping the engine in a lesser state longer thereby costing the owner more money in fuel and whatever else as the engine takes longer to get into a better state?
Just asking?


Makes sense to me. People looking for Data should check the used oil analysis section to see just what these so called "harsh" solvents are doing to their engines. Last I checked the reports were quite good. Maybe the word harsh refers to drinking the stuff, then I'd say harsh would be a good choice of a word. For engine cleaning, they aren't so harsh.

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, if you do a little research you will find that a very good number of guys here at this website have said that MMO or Kreen works for them. So in my opinion their observations about MMO and Kreen are as worthwhile as your observations about Auto-RX.


I've done far more research than you ever will. They like harsh solvents, I don't. Simple really.


If the harsh solvent works in dissolving and dispersing the sludge and deposits and rids the engine of the contaminants quickly,and doesn't elevate wear metals,isn't that better than using a product that works slowly,thereby keeping the engine in a lesser state longer thereby costing the owner more money in fuel and whatever else as the engine takes longer to get into a better state?
Just asking?


Makes sense to me. People looking for Data should check the used oil analysis section to see just what these so called "harsh" solvents are doing to their engines. Last I checked the reports were quite good. Maybe the word harsh refers to drinking the stuff, then I'd say harsh would be a good choice of a word. For engine cleaning, they aren't so harsh.


Talk to Ron about the effects of harsh solvents on engine seals. He has decades if real world experience

 

[Mystic]

Well, we don't have to talk to Ron. We have volumes of personal experiences of people who have tried Kreen or MMO who say that the products worked for them. I personally can remember only a few posts where people said that there did not appear to be any results. One of the few negative reports I ever heard on MMO was the case of a guy who put way too much in an aircraft engine. A person does have to follow the directions.

The tactic that has been used here by promoters of Auto-RX is to belittle the personal experiences of all of these people (and there are a lot of them) who have had positive experiences with either Kreen or MMO. But the other side of the coin is when it comes to Auto-RX Plus we are supposed to believe the testimony of one guy who said he did compression testing to prove that Auto-RX Plus works. Guess what? There has been compression testing for MMO reported here also. The compression testing by one guy using a compression tester of unknown quality is supposed to overrule the personal testimony of a large number of guys who have obtained positive results with either Kreen or MMO. But the compression test by one guy to prove Auto-RX Plus works is called scientific testing and the personal experiences of a large number of people for Kreen and MMO is called unscientific and irrelevant.

I think the average scientist would laugh if compression testing by one guy was supposed to prove anything. The compression tester would have to be a proven quality instrument and there would have to be verification of the results. On that basis the personal testimony of so many guys indicating that Kreen and MMO work is probably actually better evidence.

 

[Trav]

This is the same guy that would sue you if you sold ARX but you know him well enough to post his phone number and invite the whole world to call him.

No one i know is using straight solvent in their engine, its diluted to about 10%
Gasoline and ethanol are solvent yet they use seals that can last the life of the car, same with modern engine seals.

Most are made from chemical resistant compounds, very few if any today are made from natural rubbers.
I have personally soaked lots of different seals in Kreen long term before i tried it in an engine with no negatives results.

I have used it in dozens of engines for a few years and the cumulative mileage of the vehicles is well over 500K. One has gone over 100K itself.
Not one leak that was not present before (one had a small cam seal leak that remained unchanged) and not one damaged engine.

The fact you deny being a distributer is fine but it does say the second poster i quoted is not being honest.
Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Mystic]

The other thing I think needs to be said is this: If Auto-RX works PROVE IT! You should be able to prove it if it works. If you actually could prove that it works you would be able to sell it. The customers want proof.

When it comes to Kreen and MMO we at least have personal testimony of large numbers of guys here who have tried it.

I have waited literally years at this website for the proof of Auto-RX actually working to be displayed here. Exactly how long do we have to wait for the proof? Do we have to wait ten years? Do we have to wait twenty years? If it works some sort of proof should be possible. A cleaning product should clean. How about before and after photographs in several engines? How about compression testing of several vehicles with a quality recording compression tester and independent verification? Are tests of this kind that difficult to setup? I am not expecting engine sequence testing. I am just expecting some believable tests.

I think I am actually trying to help the Auto-RX promoters here. If you can provide some proof that the product actually works it should sell. That should be the goal, correct?

 

[demarpaint]

Sprintman there is no need for me to talk to Ron, I've done my homework too, and have about 4 decades of experience with MMO. MMO and Kreen have been used for decades to clean engines. In fact MMO has well over 80 years behind it. If those products were so harsh, show me the engines with the destroyed seals. Oh and as far as Ron goes, he's the A-Rx rep/distributor down under, isn't he? I already have a pretty good idea of what he has to say. I bet he echo's his supplier from Florida.

Once again this has all been discussed, and all these myths of seal damage, and engine destruction have been busted. Still the lame attempts of discrediting Kreen and MMO don't stop, they must kick into high gear when sales drop.

Man this is getting old. Too bad a person can't join the A-Rx board and talk freely and openly there about the product, and its competition and not waste bandwidth here. I bet pigs would fly before that happens though. Kudos to Helen and the mods for allowing it to be discussed here.

 

[Mystic]

I would kind of like to know why Ron, the distributor, would sue you sprint man? That does not make sense to me. Are you saying only one distributor for Auto-RX is allowed in your country? Heck, there are Amsoil dealers all over the place here in the USA. I should think Frank at Auto-RX would want you to be a distributor.

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
The other thing I think needs to be said is this: If Auto-RX works PROVE IT! You should be able to prove it if it works. If you actually could prove that it works you would be able to sell it. The customers want proof.

When it comes to Kreen and MMO we at least have personal testimony of large numbers of guys here who have tried it.

I have waited literally years at this website for the proof of Auto-RX actually working to be displayed here. Exactly how long do we have to wait for the proof? Do we have to wait ten years? Do we have to wait twenty years? If it works some sort of proof should be possible. A cleaning product should clean. How about before and after photographs in several engines? How about compression testing of several vehicles with a quality recording compression tester and independent verification? Are tests of this kind that difficult to setup? I am not expecting engine sequence testing. I am just expecting some believable tests.

I think I am actually trying to help the Auto-RX promoters here. If you can provide some proof that the product actually works it should sell. That should be the goal, correct?


It's gas results in many countries around the works and well respected members here.

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Sprintman there is no need for me to talk to Ron, I've done my homework too, and have about 4 decades of experience with MMO. MMO and Kreen have been used for decades to clean engines. In fact MMO has well over 80 years behind it. If those products were so harsh, show me the engines with the destroyed seals. Oh and as far as Ron goes, he's the A-Rx rep/distributor down under, isn't he? I already have a pretty good idea of what he has to say. I bet he echo's his supplier from Florida.

Once again this has all been discussed, and all these myths of seal damage, and engine destruction have been busted. Still the lame attempts of discrediting Kreen and MMO don't stop, they must kick into high gear when sales drop.

Man this is getting old. Too bad a person can't join the A-Rx board and talk freely and openly there about the product, and its competition and not waste bandwidth here. I bet pigs would fly before that happens though. Kudos to Helen and the mods for allowing it to be discussed here.





You have more excuses than anybody I know.