Musk Says Tesla ‘Dug Our Own Grave’ With The Cybertruck

So technically it's the same length as every other pretend workhorse with 4 doors and a 5.5 foot bed.
Tesla says the Cybertruck bed is Technically 6'1" but that's for an item up to 4" tall. Jalopnik had a really interesting article about it. If your cargo is 30 inches tall or taller then you only have 4'11" if it's to fit behind the tailgate.
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I wonder if the design was not as Pontiac Aztec'ish it would have sold better. I can't get beyond how dumb they look.
 
I wonder if the design was not as Pontiac Aztec'ish it would have sold better. I can't get beyond how dumb they look.
don't besmirch the Aztec like that.. it was honestly a good car. not saying the looks were for everyone, but other than that it was a good car...basically a GM Minivan of the era. had all the usual 3400 v6 issues, but those weren't really a big deal..
 
IMO, Elon got too full of himself with the CT body design. And then some of the owners took it to another level... We stopped in at Menlo Park Starbucks and ... OMG.
Some people have more $$ than .... Whatever.
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I wonder if the design was not as Pontiac Aztec'ish it would have sold better. I can't get beyond how dumb they look.
That's part of it, the other issue is the pure number of recalls and buy backs. I'd be curious to know how many buy backs or Lemons Tesla has taken on the Cybertruck? Then apparently Tesla has started "Accepting " or taking Cybertrucks in on trade and well owners are really ticked off. Remember initially the Cybertruck was 100k but shortly after Tesla raised it to $120k after the Cyberbeast debuted. Tyler Hoover said six months after he bought his nobody wanted to take it in on trade. Givemethevin bought ten and I think lost money on them. One place offered him $111k but he had to buy another vehicle so he took home a 1-year-old Cadillac Lyric. In February of this year a few Cybertruck owners were offered $71k from Car Max but not a Penny more. A cyberbeast owner was offered $78,200 with 8,600 miles and eight months of ownership that he paid $128,000 out the door. Other founders edition owners have been offered as little as $63, for a 2024. Rivian has higher than average resale value as most vehicles have 30% depreciation after a year Rivian has only 28% after two years.
 
IMO, Elon got too full of himself with the CT body design. And then some of the owners took it to another level... We stopped in at Menlo Park Starbucks and ... OMG.
Some people have more $$ than .... Whatever.
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“Some people have more $$ than .... Whatever.”

Just the truck owner?…or ALL the people at Starbucks? 😉
 
“Some people have more $$ than .... Whatever.”

Just the truck owner?…or ALL the people at Starbucks? 😉
Cyber truck wasn't the first and won't be the last vehicle that sold above list to to market demand, and later sold at below invoice.

Heck, even the PT Cruiser was selling above sticker when first released, and not long after the PT Cruiser was selling at deep discounts.
 
Cyber truck wasn't the first and won't be the last vehicle that sold above list to to market demand, and later sold at below invoice.

Heck, even the PT Cruiser was selling above sticker when first released, and not long after the PT Cruiser was selling at deep discounts.
PT didn't cost $100K, or whatever.
The shame is, IMO, the CT is an advanced vehicle in many ways; if Tesla had incorporated the good in a more traditional pickup, perhaps they would have had a great product. Just my 2 cents...

There are a bunch running around here. The few owners I have talked to think they are amazing. I'm not sure I've seen anything is the bed of one... Not have I seen one on a job site.
 
PT didn't cost $100K, or whatever.
The shame is, IMO, the CT is an advanced vehicle in many ways; if Tesla had incorporated the good in a more traditional pickup, perhaps they would have had a great product. Just my 2 cents...

There are a bunch running around here. The few owners I have talked to think they are amazing. I'm not sure I've seen anything is the bed of one... Not have I seen one on a job site.
Where was your critical input prior to the release of the CT? Iirc you were a cheerleader of all things TSLA, until it's CEO tried to provide options and recommendations on federal government spending.

Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
 
Where was your critical input prior to the release of the CT? Iirc you were a cheerleader of all things TSLA, until it's CEO tried to provide options and recommendations on federal government spending.

Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
I'm on my 2nd Tesla. I was an early adopter with the '18 Model 3 Mid Range and now I drive a '24 M3P.
If something happened to this car, I would order another tomorrow. It's that good.
Regarding the CT, I was not sure if the vehicle was for real; I thought perhaps Musk was playing a joke. I still do not understand the design. I doubt its viability; time will tell. I do believe it could have been different and far more successful.

Regarding Tesla as a company, a key reason I bought the first car was because Musk reopened the shuttered NUMMI plant, where thousands worked. It was the biggest employer in the area; not everyone can work in high tech. Now over 25K people work there and many more in support. Fremont is the #1 US vehicle factory in terms of production. I salute and support that.
My favorite Musk company is Neuralink.

Is Tesla an amazing car company? Take the 2013 Model S. Beautiful, fast, and the first practical EV from a company that had only built a low production sports car which was stopped to build the S. Pretty darn amazing when you stop and think about it. Tesla changed the world.

You?

Please don't mention politics when asking me a question. You wanna discuss the cars, fine.

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This weekend I sat in a cybertruck for the first time. I was quite impressed. Nothing in there except the screen in the middle. I kinda like the simplicity.

My friend that owns it has had a model 3 for a few years, has around 200k miles on it now and loves it. No issue with it whatsoever so far so he bought a cybertruck also. He loves it. No issues with it, but he hasn't had it for long. Except for some idiot vandalizing it in Knoxville a few weeks ago. What is wrong with people?

I own a ram promaster van and Ram treated me so bad last year that I will never buy a ram product ever again. But I won't ever think of vandalizing other people's rams.

As for the cybertruck, it is very different than anything out there. Some people like that and I'm happy for them. Having choices is good, don't understand why some people don't get that.
 
I'm on my 2nd Tesla. I was an early adopter with the '18 Model 3 Mid Range and now I drive a '24 M3P.
If something happened to this car, I would order another tomorrow. It's that good.
Regarding the CT, I was not sure if the vehicle was for real; I thought perhaps Musk was playing a joke. I still do not understand the design. I doubt its viability; time will tell. I do believe it could have been different and far more successful.

Regarding Tesla as a company, a key reason I bought the first car was because Musk reopened the shuttered NUMMI plant, where thousands worked. It was the biggest employer in the area; not everyone can work in high tech. Now over 25K people work there and many more in support. Fremont is the #1 US vehicle factory in terms of production. I salute and support that.
My favorite Musk company is Neuralink.

Is Tesla an amazing car company? Take the 2013 Model S. Beautiful, fast, and the first practical EV from a company that had only built a low production sports car which was stopped to build the S. Pretty darn amazing when you stop and think about it. Tesla changed the world.

You?

Please don't mention politics when asking me a question. You wanna discuss the cars, fine.

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Hasn't Freemont become a really expensive place to live now that Tesla and others have gone in? It's definitely good to go in and employ alot of people but if the cost of living is sky high it doesn't help.Then add in the Teslas Fremont plant has repeatedly had a higher workplace accident rate then other comparable auto manufacturing plants. Since 2019 they've been cited for 110 air quality violations, if so why is Tesla given a fine here and there then told not to do it again? It doesn't sound like a great place to work. In 2018 Tesla was caught leaving accidents off workplace records to make it look like they had better safety than they do, not that other plants haven't done this. Denver is getting like that, from reports last year $26-$27 per hour is now the poverty line in alot of Colorado.
 
Hasn't Freemont become a really expensive place to live now that Tesla and others have gone in? It's definitely good to go in and employ alot of people but if the cost of living is sky high it doesn't help.Then add in the Teslas Fremont plant has repeatedly had a higher workplace accident rate then other comparable auto manufacturing plants. Since 2019 they've been cited for 110 air quality violations, if so why is Tesla given a fine here and there then told not to do it again? It doesn't sound like a great place to work. In 2018 Tesla was caught leaving accidents off workplace records to make it look like they had better safety than they do, not that other plants haven't done this. Denver is getting like that, from reports last year $26-$27 per hour is now the poverty line in alot of Colorado.
Fremont has been an expensive place to live for a long time. When NUMMI shuttered, the local economy suffered. Homes were lost, restaurants lost business, you name it. Musk knew there was a Toyota trained quality workforce there; he put out a 2 page ad in the SJ Merc encouraging ex-NUMMI employees to apply.
I worked across the 680 freeway at Lam Research (LRCX). Workers at many companies commute in to work in Silicon Valley; housing demand far outstrips supply.
Tesla has expanded the Fremont site to its limit and has gobbled up surrounding buildings, including the Solyndra buildings.
Many engineering and development buildings are in Palo Alto.
Fremont is always hiring. They have had more than their share of black eyes, no doubt.
 
Not trying to make this political, but it seems Musk's newest tactics have gotten a reaction from previous supporters. I had nasty words said to me in traffic while driving home today. My wife on the other hand had this happen caught on Sentry this morning. Just so childish. The politics get old.

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Fremont has been an expensive place to live for a long time. When NUMMI shuttered, the local economy suffered. Homes were lost, restaurants lost business, you name it. Musk knew there was a Toyota trained quality workforce there; he put out a 2 page ad in the SJ Merc encouraging ex-NUMMI employees to apply.
I worked across the 680 freeway at Lam Research (LRCX). Workers at many companies commute in to work in Silicon Valley; housing demand far outstrips supply.
Tesla has expanded the Fremont site to its limit and has gobbled up surrounding buildings, including the Solyndra buildings.
Many engineering and development buildings are in Palo Alto.
Fremont is always hiring. They have had more than their share of black eyes, no doubt.
Musk claims he wants the best but when you have someone or a computer in Texas looking at resumes it seems to be bias almostlike you need to know someoneat Tesla. I have over 10 years of automotive detailing experience, plus customer service, car sales and lot manager. A local Tesla detail and body shop near me is always posting an opening ever 4-6 months for a detailing employee or entry level body shop apprentice. I've never had an interview or someone reach out. The receptionist told me "Uh Tesla is different and kind of a pain for the hiring process " while rolling her eyes. This says alot.
 
Not trying to make this political, but it seems Musk's newest tactics have gotten a reaction from previous supporters. I had nasty words said to me in traffic while driving home today. My wife on the other hand had this happen caught on Sentry this morning. Just so childish. The politics get old.

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I don't particularly like musk nor Tesla as I wasn't impressed with their customer service nor their service center in Colorado, but I'm not going to throw soda at one or key one.
 
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