Musk Says Tesla ‘Dug Our Own Grave’ With The Cybertruck

[We're Metals]

Not trying to make this political, but it seems Musk's newest tactics have gotten a reaction from previous supporters. I had nasty words said to me in traffic while driving home today. My wife on the other hand had this happen caught on Sentry this morning. Just so childish. The politics get old.

Gotta report that to the police

 

[edyvw]

Fremont has been an expensive place to live for a long time. When NUMMI shuttered, the local economy suffered. Homes were lost, restaurants lost business, you name it. Musk knew there was a Toyota trained quality workforce there; he put out a 2 page ad in the SJ Merc encouraging ex-NUMMI employees to apply.
I worked across the 680 freeway at Lam Research (LRCX). Workers at many companies commute in to work in Silicon Valley; housing demand far outstrips supply.
Tesla has expanded the Fremont site to its limit and has gobbled up surrounding buildings, including the Solyndra buildings.
Many engineering and development buildings are in Palo Alto.
Fremont is always hiring. They have had more than their share of black eyes, no doubt.

My good friend worked at Freemont Tesla. He couldn’t run away fast enough. He needed a job, so he took it. At first opportunity he bailed out.

 

[edyvw]

Musk claims he wants the best but when you have someone or a computer in Texas looking at resumes it seems to be bias almostlike you need to know someoneat Tesla. I have over 10 years of automotive detailing experience, plus customer service, car sales and lot manager. A local Tesla detail and body shop near me is always posting an opening ever 4-6 months for a detailing employee or entry level body shop apprentice. I've never had an interview or someone reach out. The receptionist told me "Uh Tesla is different and kind of a pain for the hiring process " while rolling her eyes. This says alot.

Considering yourself lucky. As I said in previous post, my friend worked in their Freemont factory and couldn’t bail out fast enough. The guy worked all his life including being contractor in Iraq for 7yrs. So not someone running away from work.

 

[Torrid]

Gotta report that to the police

It's coffee. I can't imagine that's worth anyone's effort. I can see if someone did real damage, but I think it may be a waste of time to pursue it in that capacity.

 

[JeffKeryk]

My good friend worked at Freemont Tesla. He couldn’t run away fast enough. He needed a job, so he took it. At first opportunity he bailed out.

Fremont has 25K workers and is the most productive auto plant in the nation. Many worker commute in quite a distance.
Fremont one of the largest and most advanced automotive factories in the world, known for its high-tech features and efficiency.
Employee sentiment at the Tesla Fremont factory appears mixed, according to Glassdoor and Indeed. There are plusses (compensation) and negatives (work-life balance) and fear of layoffs due to cyclical business.

Tesla is aware of morale issues and is said to be concerned with it. There have also been lawsuits and alleged discrimination.
Full disclosure, Microsoft had me meet with then CIO Jay Vijayan on Operation Warp Drive, which was a home grown SAP MRP replacement. Elon hates SAP, as do I. Microsoft warned me not to take a job there, "Tesla is a sweatshop."

 

[edyvw]

Fremont has 25K workers and is the most productive auto plant in the nation. Many worker commute in quite a distance.
Fremont one of the largest and most advanced automotive factories in the world, known for its high-tech features and efficiency.
Employee sentiment at the Tesla Fremont factory appears mixed, according to Glassdoor and Indeed. There are plusses (compensation) and negatives (work-life balance) and fear of layoffs due to cyclical business.

Tesla is aware of morale issues and is said to be concerned with it. There have also been lawsuits and alleged discrimination.
Full disclosure, I met with then CIO

I don’t know whether this post is written by human or AI. Seriously.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I don’t know whether this post is written by human or AI. Seriously.

You have a problem with facts. Not sure why. By the way, I edited my post with my own experience.
I am big on AI, and familiar with it, so there's that.

 

[edyvw]

You have a problem with facts. Not sure why. By the way, I edited my post with my own experience.

No, I don’t have a problem what you wrote. Productivity doesn’t mean anything to workers if they cannot see their families. I am talking about personal experience of worker not whether he should sacrifice himself for Tesla. Not sure how productivity ended up in the response.
The way you wrote is like press office in Tesla who went on ChatGpt to write it. My point is that working conditions are crap, and apparently they also know that.
But then, “you know Elon” as you liked to say.

 

[97prizm]

Fremont has 25K workers and is the most productive auto plant in the nation. Many worker commute in quite a distance.
Fremont one of the largest and most advanced automotive factories in the world, known for its high-tech features and efficiency.
Employee sentiment at the Tesla Fremont factory appears mixed, according to Glassdoor and Indeed. There are plusses (compensation) and negatives (work-life balance) and fear of layoffs due to cyclical business.

Tesla is aware of morale issues and is said to be concerned with it. There have also been lawsuits and alleged discrimination.
Full disclosure, Microsoft had me meet with then CIO Jay Vijayan on Operation Warp Drive, which was a home grown SAP MRP replacement. Elon hates SAP, as do I. Microsoft warned me not to take a job there, "Tesla is a sweatshop."

Tesla Fremont plant has had twice the average plant worker injuries at 8.1 injuries per 100 people since 2016. It's well documented that Tesla left injuries off the books to make it look like they had fewer accidents. That's hands down criminal, yet nobody has done jail time for it. Then add in 110 epa air quality violations over the last two years with a measly $280,000 fine and a $240,000 fine so a few cents to you and I.

 

[JeffKeryk]

No, I don’t have a problem what you wrote. Productivity doesn’t mean anything to workers if they cannot see their families. I am talking about personal experience of worker not whether he should sacrifice himself for Tesla. Not sure how productivity ended up in the response.
The way you wrote is like press office in Tesla who went on ChatGpt to write it. My point is that working conditions are crap, and apparently they also know that.
But then, “you know Elon” as you liked to say.

Silicon Valley is well known for our poor work-life-balance. Some manage it better than others, but it is a problem. Everything is a trade off, you do not lead the world in technology, or anything, by playing nice. It is up to each of us. When I interviewed prospective peers, I told them of the expectations. When I discussed certain high importance projects, I was told to meet the plan completion date, it would mean nights and weekends for at least a year. Not everyone is geared for Silicon Valley; there are a lotta burnouts. You don't get the golden handcuffs by strolling in at 9 and going home at 5.
Personally I thrived in this atmosphere because it was so much easier than my prior life.

By the way, I don't know Elon.

 

[edyvw]

Silicon Valley is well known for our poor work-life-balance. Some manage it better than others, but it is a problem. Everything is a trade off, you do not lead the world in technology, or anything, by playing nice. It is up to each of us. When I interviewed prospective peers, I told them of the expectations. When I discussed certain high importance projects, I was told to meet the plan completion date, it would mean nights and weekends for at least a year. Not everyone is geared for Silicon Valley; there are a lotta burnouts. You don't get the golden handcuffs by strolling in at 9 and going home at 5.
Personally I thrived in this atmosphere because it was so much easier than my prior life.

By the way, I don't know Elon.

Many companies would agree with you. Leading companies in the tire business, brake components, etc., are in Europe, and they do perfectly fine with excellent work-life balance conditions. Airbus is obliterating Boeing, and yet, their workers have far better working conditions.
It is a choice, not a necessity.

 

[97prizm]

No, I don’t have a problem what you wrote. Productivity doesn’t mean anything to workers if they cannot see their families. I am talking about personal experience of worker not whether he should sacrifice himself for Tesla. Not sure how productivity ended up in the response.
The way you wrote is like press office in Tesla who went on ChatGpt to write it. My point is that working conditions are crap, and apparently they also know that.
But then, “you know Elon” as you liked to say.

You forgot to mention that Elon had a mandatory Skype meeting with employees at 9pm to tell them not to sell their stock and that "Tesla is doing fine." This is all while the board of directors Kimball Musk, and Teslas largest shareholder Ross Gerber dumped a ton of stock. Ross Gerber was quoted as saying he is "trying to figure out if Elon Musk actually does anything at Tesla at all," and that his return seems like a "false hope." I told my dad in 2018 Musk will kill the company one way or another.

 

[edyvw]

You forgot to mention that Elon had a mandatory Skype meeting with employees at 9pm to tell them not to sell their stock and that "Tesla is doing fine." This is all while the board of directors Kimball Musk, and Teslas largest shareholder Ross Gerber dumped a ton of stock. Ross Gerber was quoted as saying he is "trying to figure out if Elon Musk actually does anything at Tesla at all," and that his return seems like a "false hope." I told my dad in 2018 Musk will kill the company one way or another.

I told that to certain members here a long time ago.

 

[97prizm]

Many companies would agree with you. Leading companies in the tire business, brake components, etc., are in Europe, and they do perfectly fine with excellent work-life balance conditions. Airbus is obliterating Boeing, and yet, their workers have far better working conditions.
It is a choice, not a necessity.

Airbus went through 4 directors or CEOs during the A380 development and testing. That project burned alot of people out.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Many companies would agree with you. Leading companies in the tire business, brake components, etc., are in Europe, and they do perfectly fine with excellent work-life balance conditions. Airbus is obliterating Boeing, and yet, their workers have far better working conditions.
It is a choice, not a necessity.

Yep, just like I said. But if you want to really do something extraordinary, it takes effort and time. Otherwise anyone could do it. There is no free ride. Tesla, and Musk, did not achieve their meteoric rise by playing nice.

I hope your friend found something he could live with.

 

[edyvw]

Airbus went through 4 directors or CEOs during the A380 development and testing. That project burned alot of people out.

It did. However, by laws overthere workers enjoy far better work-life balance, whether CEO's want or not. And still, they prevailed.
So either better work-life balance results in better productivity (huge evidence of that) or worse work-life balance results in declining productivity (huge evidence of that too).
My friend, who owns a company that has an annual revenue of around $170 million, experimented with 4 day weeks and found out that it results in better productivity.
I, for example, have some 30 people who report to me. We are on a hybrid schedule, they work from home 3 days a week and two at the office. We dramatically increased productivity and lowered expenses. But, if I had moved them to the office 5 days a week, I would probably lose people I would never be able to replace.

 

[edyvw]

Yep, just like I said. But if you want to really do something extraordinary, it takes effort and time. Otherwise anyone could do it. There is no free ride.

I hope your friend found something he could live with.

That is different than having crappy conditions. You are confusing dedication with being a jerk to workers.

 

[JeffKeryk]

That is different than having crappy conditions. You are confusing dedication with being a jerk to workers.

Please. Your friend did not like the work and left. Apparantly 25K workers are still there.

 

[Torrid]

That is different than having crappy conditions. You are confusing dedication with being a jerk to workers.

My job sucks super hard but they pay me enough that I still show up.

Everyone has a price.

 

[97prizm]

It did. However, by laws overthere workers enjoy far better work-life balance, whether CEO's want or not. And still, they prevailed.
So either better work-life balance results in better productivity (huge evidence of that) or worse work-life balance results in declining productivity (huge evidence of that too).
My friend, who owns a company that has an annual revenue of around $170 million, experimented with 4 day weeks and found out that it results in better productivity.
I, for example, have some 30 people who report to me. We are on a hybrid schedule, they work from home 3 days a week and two at the office. We dramatically increased productivity and lowered expenses. But, if I had moved them to the office 5 days a week, I would probably lose people I would never be able to replace.

A recent multi-year study found that alot not all people were more productive with 4 10's than a 5 day week. When musk told factory employees that they needed to sleep at the Fremont factory that caused alot of attrition and negative sentiment in the work environment.