Musk Says Tesla ‘Dug Our Own Grave’ With The Cybertruck

Kiwi_ME said:
Unless I've missed something the few innovations are:

1. Steer by wire. At both ends.
2. 48V auxiliary power to an unspecified percentage of the car. Clearly it's highly desirable for the electric power steering but what about all the other peripherals like door window motors, computers, lighting including anything towed? Assuming the auxiliary battery is LFE like the 3/Y, is it also 48V, precluding the possibility of a using a conventional jump start pack?
3. Off-road ground clearance at 17" is certainly outstanding off the showroom floor.
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I’m sure a lot of innovations, the steer by wire is in use by Toyota/Lexus for 2023 though.
I suspect this will become much more common based on the reception by Motor Trend. I’m sure more will discovered in the cyber truck I would think

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-lexus-rz450e-steer-by-wire-yoke-review/
 
dishdude said:
Sorry, there is no excuse for someone with the public bullhorn Musk has to call someone "pedo guy" on a public forum that the entire world is going to see. It was low class, reckless and downright despicable, I can't think of anything worse to call someone. I never paid much attention to Musk until that incident, but after that he was on my radar and has done little since to regain my respect. I've come to the conclusion that Musk is a disgusting human.
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I followed that side of the case pretty closely in real time as it was happening, including the man-child's temper tantrum.

The fact that one of the heros in the operation(Vernon Unsworth) did NOT win a defamation case against the man-child IMO was, well, a pretty bad verdict and if you read the details of case, man-child's defense was pretty weak to start with.

It's not even so much the fact that he went on a tirade(on Twitter, his bully pulpit) but also the fact that he doubled down when someone called him on it. He didn't just make the insult and back down from it.

In what I remember, musk was indeed very much all but saying that Vernon Unsworth was a pedophile by the fact that he was unmarried and lived part of the year in Thailand. That's a VERY serious accusation to make against someone. True pedophilia is not only highly illegal, but morally reprehensible and society often treats pedophiles as such. I've heard it said people convicted and sent to prison for pedophilia are at risk of violence from other prisoners-in other words even the murderers look down on them. It's not an accusation that you throw around lightly. It's definitely not an accusation you throw at someone because they said that your publicity stunt(in a very dire, time critical situation) wouldn't work.

Since media bias has come up a lot in this thead, let's not forget that musk was, in a lot of ways, the media's "Golden Boy" until about a year ago(give or take). Look much beyond there and you'll pretty much find only overwhelmingly positive coverage of him, implying in many cases that he was effectively the savior of humantiy. Both the media and public sentiment have changed toward him a lot in the past year, and I've just been very happy to see him finally getting what I would consider to be fair coverage.

BTW, people often hold Space-X upn as some wonderful success. I know that's not directly pertinent, but it's worth looking beyond just the surface and the rockets you see launching, or lately exploding. I am very concerned that NASA has tied their future sucess so closely to a company run by musk.

This channel on Youtube offers a lot of well-researched information on Space-X practices and on musk in general.

https://www.youtube.com/@commonsenseskeptic/videos
 
bunnspecial said:
BTW, people often hold Space-X upn as some wonderful success. I know that's not directly pertinent, but it's worth looking beyond just the surface and the rockets you see launching, or lately exploding. I am very concerned that NASA has tied their future sucess so closely to a company run by musk.

This channel on Youtube offers a lot of well-researched information on Space-X practices and on musk in general.
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This is not making sense to me. At all.

First things first, Musk is the most successful human on the planet and is only the second human ever to have started 3ea "billion dollar" companies from the ground up. The first being my boss. By any measurable standard, his is, and continues to be, a stunning success.

Nor is NASA relying on Musk or SpaceX for its future. NASA has a VERY wide range of activities not associated with Musk in any way. So far, the F9 and FH rockets are proving to be workhorses. Exactly what we've needed for the last 50 years.

I predict Starship and the Cybertruck will have an appropriate measure of success. Remember there is no physical reason that either can't be done.

What I see here is that some people don't like Musk, don't understand his tenacity, and see his personality as a problem. By any objective measure, he's already proven himself capable beyond anyone else, anywhere.
 
Cujet said:
This is not making sense to me. At all.

First things first, Musk is the most successful human on the planet and is only the second human ever to have started 3ea "billion dollar" companies from the ground up. The first being my boss. By any measurable standard, his is, and continues to be, a stunning success.

Nor is NASA relying on Musk or SpaceX for its future. NASA has a VERY wide range of activities not associated with Musk in any way. So far, the F9 and FH rockets are proving to be workhorses. Exactly what we've needed for the last 50 years.

I predict Starship and the Cybertruck will succeed. Remember there is no physical reason that either can't be done.
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I feel bad for people who measure success in terms of money.
 
bunnspecial said:
I followed that side of the case pretty closely in real time as it was happening, including the man-child's temper tantrum.

The fact that one of the heros in the operation(Vernon Unsworth) did NOT win a defamation case against the man-child IMO was, well, a pretty bad verdict and if you read the details of case, man-child's defense was pretty weak to start with.

It's not even so much the fact that he went on a tirade(on Twitter, his bully pulpit) but also the fact that he doubled down when someone called him on it. He didn't just make the insult and back down from it.

In what I remember, musk was indeed very much all but saying that Vernon Unsworth was a pedophile by the fact that he was unmarried and lived part of the year in Thailand. That's a VERY serious accusation to make against someone. True pedophilia is not only highly illegal, but morally reprehensible and society often treats pedophiles as such. I've heard it said people convicted and sent to prison for pedophilia are at risk of violence from other prisoners-in other words even the murderers look down on them. It's not an accusation that you throw around lightly. It's definitely not an accusation you throw at someone because they said that your publicity stunt(in a very dire, time critical situation) wouldn't work.

Since media bias has come up a lot in this thead, let's not forget that musk was, in a lot of ways, the media's "Golden Boy" until about a year ago(give or take). Look much beyond there and you'll pretty much find only overwhelmingly positive coverage of him, implying in many cases that he was effectively the savior of humantiy. Both the media and public sentiment have changed toward him a lot in the past year, and I've just been very happy to see him finally getting what I would consider to be fair coverage.

BTW, people often hold Space-X upn as some wonderful success. I know that's not directly pertinent, but it's worth looking beyond just the surface and the rockets you see launching, or lately exploding. I am very concerned that NASA has tied their future sucess so closely to a company run by musk.

This channel on Youtube offers a lot of well-researched information on Space-X practices and on musk in general.

https://www.youtube.com/@commonsenseskeptic/videos
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About a click bait YT channel as I have seen. Many assumptions used to make declarations. Not for me.
 
A few of my own thoughts on the CT, after seeing it last night...
The original range on the top model was "more than 500 miles", I believe. 340 is a far cry from that, and 340 depends on some very specific conditions, at best.
Would I spend $80K (or $100K) on this thing, especially after the early quote for the entry level model was $40K? Only if I wanted a "statement vehicle", which I do not. Maybe if I were a real estate agent... Prices will come down but my guess is many of the bazillion pre-orders will cancel or wait. Having said this, aren't many pickups pretty pricey? I'm not in the market.

I guess my question is, how will the other car companies react to the Cybertruck? Call it a joke and deadpan it? Probably, if they repeat their history regarding Tesla vehicles.

Does it get attention? You betcha. Will there be more angular shaped vehicle designs coming out? My guess is yes.
Are we looking at the future or a flop? Who the heck knows? Above my pay grade.

Oh yeah, they forgot the rear view mirror.
 
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Cujet said:
This is not making sense to me. At all.

First things first, Musk is the most successful human on the planet and is only the second human ever to have started 3ea "billion dollar" companies from the ground up. The first being my boss. By any measurable standard, his is, and continues to be, a stunning success.

Nor is NASA relying on Musk or SpaceX for its future. NASA has a VERY wide range of activities not associated with Musk in any way. So far, the F9 and FH rockets are proving to be workhorses. Exactly what we've needed for the last 50 years.

I predict Starship and the Cybertruck will have an appropriate measure of success. Remember there is no physical reason that either can't be done.

What I see here is that some people don't like Musk, don't understand his tenacity, and see his personality as a problem. By any objective measure, he's already proven himself capable beyond anyone else, anywhere.
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That whole "pedo" story is all BS. Some seem to want to ignore the fact that a Jury, almost in record deliberation time, found Musk not guilty.
This stuff drives me nuTs. *LOL*
You know full well I am not a pro anyone person, and not a pro Musk person, we are all people. I am a pro truth person and it's ridiculous that rumors about the "pedo" comment are twisted into a complete non truth.
Repeat, a USA jury of your peers confirmed, Musk said nothing wrong, this was an argument between two people. Two people, that's it.
man, lets stick to the truth. ( I wont say more on this but just in case anyone missed it)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
 
alarmguy said:
That whole "pedo" story is all BS. Some seem to want to ignore the fact that a Jury, almost in record deliberation time, found Musk not guilty.
This stuff drives me nuTs. *LOL*
You know full well I am not a pro anyone person, and not a pro Musk person, we are all people. I am a pro truth person and it's ridiculous that rumors about the "pedo" comment are twisted into a complete non truth.
Repeat, a USA jury of your peers confirmed, Musk said nothing wrong, this was an argument between two people. Two people, that's it.
man, lets stick to the truth. ( I wont say more on this but just in case anyone missed it)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
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They only thing this proves is that money wins court cases.
 
From the BBC aricle quoted above,”Mr Musk, who now has nearly 30 million followers, responded with a series of tweets about Mr Unsworth - including the one calling him "pedo guy". It was later deleted.” So the article does indeed state that Musk used the term “Pedo Guy” and then deleted it. The case was not about whether the term was used, only if Musk defamed the other party, which the jury found he didn’t.
 
alarmguy said:
That whole "pedo" story is all BS. Some seem to want to ignore the fact that a Jury, almost in record deliberation time, found Musk not guilty.
This stuff drives me nuTs. *LOL*
You know full well I am not a pro anyone person, and not a pro Musk person, we are all people. I am a pro truth person and it's ridiculous that rumors about the "pedo" comment are twisted into a complete non truth.
Repeat, a USA jury of your peers confirmed, Musk said nothing wrong, this was an argument between two people. Two people, that's it.
man, lets stick to the truth. ( I wont say more on this but just in case anyone missed it)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
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Just what is BS about it?

That it happened? Perhaps you don't remember it, but I remember it playing out in real time and again, it was this man-child's reaction in that instance that made me truly dislike him and realize that he is in fact just an overgrown cry baby.

At the end of the day, IMO the man-child only won the case because Unsworth's defense team was lacking and didn't focus enough on facts. The trial was also held in a venue where musk tends to be very popular, which did not bode well for the case being decided in Unsworth's favor.

At the end of the day, whether or not it rose to defamation, it remains an indisputable FACT that musk went on this tirade(again, it actually happened) because someone knowledgeable and actively working with the situation said the gigantic submarine wouldn't work(and it wouldn't have).
 
bunnspecial said:
Since media bias has come up a lot in this thead, let's not forget that musk was, in a lot of ways, the media's "Golden Boy" until about a year ago(give or take). Look much beyond there and you'll pretty much find only overwhelmingly positive coverage of him, implying in many cases that he was effectively the savior of humantiy. Both the media and public sentiment have changed toward him a lot in the past year, and I've just been very happy to see him finally getting what I would consider to be fair coverage.
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Very true. Shows just how fickle and dumb most of the media and their polarized followers are. They were willing to overlook anything as long as he was aligned to some common objective. Cross these people, you’re on their death list and they’ll do anything to stomp someone out. Regardless of if they themselves are right or wrong.

More media coverage simply because he crossed someone’s philosophical agenda is an absolutely ridiculous reason to do it. But objective journalism isn’t something we get anymore. Just treacherous polarism.
 
Kiwi_ME said:
Unless I've missed something the few innovations are:

1. Steer by wire. At both ends.
2. 48V auxiliary power to an unspecified percentage of the car. Clearly it's highly desirable for the electric power steering but what about all the other peripherals like door window motors, computers, lighting including anything towed? Assuming the auxiliary battery is LFE like the 3/Y, is it also 48V, precluding the possibility of a using a conventional jump start pack?
3. Off-road ground clearance at 17" is certainly outstanding off the showroom floor.

But:
The stainless-steel exterior panels appear (from videos) to be bonded or only attached to a steel or aluminum unibody structure. I don't know if I would consider that to be a "stainless-steel exoskeleton". More of a composite unibody at best.

The claimed torsional stiffness seems to be due to the huge die castings at front and rear in combination with the traction battery housing and is commendable. But the latter needs to be very stiff because the internal potted slabs of 4680 (or any other size) cells cannot tolerate torsional strain. This video covers that area.

Did they need to 'develop' a new 300 series SS alloy considering that existing types would probably work just as well? Is that simply for marketing cred?

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Tesla engineers corrected the Muskrat on this. From a crash testing standpoint an "exoskeleton " is more or less not an option. It was Musk making up "features " like he usually does to pump up the hypemobile. I really have a difficult time believing 1.5 1.8 2 million Deposits have been put down on this monstrosity. I'd love to see an audit if it was true.
 
JHZR2 said:
Very true. Shows just how fickle and dumb most of the media and their polarized followers are. They were willing to overlook anything as long as he was aligned to some common objective. Cross these people, you’re on their death list and they’ll do anything to stomp someone out. Regardless of if they themselves are right or wrong.

More media coverage simply because he crossed someone’s philosophical agenda is an absolutely ridiculous reason to do it. But objective journalism isn’t something we get anymore. Just treacherous polarism.
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This. My major is in Journalism. If fair and real it has the power to change the world and inform. Many people now are saying Musk is being "punished " and it's "bias". He's a straight up bonehead and it boggles the mind that he's worth as much as he is. Take for example a few months back. A computer server complex in San Francisco was charging Tesla from the article a million dollars per month to host. A place in the Seattle area was a third of that. Musk was going to walk in and unplug all of Tesla's servers. His brother had to explain that will result in everything going down. The guy doesn't think.
 
JeffKeryk said:
The Cybertruck, like any new major new product undertaking, will take years to achieve profitability. And the Cybertruck is certainly a bold moce, and that's putting it nice... Depending on customer acceptance and demand, mfg capacity and COGS, it may never. Ask GM, Ford or just about any car maker about the difficulties of building and selling EVs. Heck, a lot of vehicles are flops.

Personally, I fail to see the Cybertruck use case beyond lifestyle. Of course a lot of vehicles are sold as such, so who the heck knows?
All I can say is I ain't buying one.
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GM just posted this week that by next year they will be profitable on ev's.
 
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